To be clear, the ice people are also criminals, it's just a different crime.
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All this is a path to a police state.
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Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
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• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
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It is like they should be identifiable. I forgot, but a member of congress made a good point how police have arrested way more dangerous people with their face and ID showing.
Nobody believes the made up attacks on ICE they just don't want the social backlash of being casted out of their communities.
In authoritarian regimes it isn't uncommon for the state officers and soldiers to engage in casual theft along side their official duties. With the way our country is going, there is a non-zero chance this was an actual ICE officer just working his "side hustle".
American cops have been robbers for a long, long time under the guise of civil forfeiture.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States
That is "legal" theft, which can be fought in court, and isn't what I'm referring to. A law enforcement officer committing theft not associated with their duties is what I'm talking about like this example reported just yesterday.
You are very lucky if they stop with casual theft.
Lavrentiy Beria, the head of the secret police in Stalin's USSR was a serial rapist and murderer. He had at least hundreds women and children kidnapped off the street, both people who weren't missed but also celebrities, and raped them and then murdered them if they wouldn't pretend it was consensual. A pile of bones covered with lime was uncovered near his one-time residence 15 years ago, but contemporary testimonies say that his torture chamber of a basement had underground passages to other burial sites.
Once some people are above the law, nothing is off the table.
It’s naïve to think that this behavior hasn’t been common already for decades, likely centuries
Only one thing to do now. We have to treat all ICE agents like armed criminals until they show their face, a badge, and a warrant.
I saw zero indications that ICE agents weren't criminals before this.
Something something... bad guy with a gun... good guy with a gun?
So lets be the good guys with guns. Every American should perform citizens arrest on these so called "ICE Agents", if there is resistance, you are entitiled to use lethal force to defend yourself. 😏
Kidding, don't actually do this...
Unless... 🤔
I don't see how that absolves them of being criminals. We should ship them to El Salvador and sort out the good ones later.
He low key helped show why we want law officers to have a branded uniform, name tag and provide ID.
And wearing a mask to hide your identity while performing your job function is pretty sus.
Low key?
Or was he a real ICE agent with a side hustle?
Same diff if all they have to do to is say they are
Either way, this person is incredibly ballsy and an absolute genius, especially if they just leave with the money and don't actually take anyone (to avoid kidnapping charges).
All you gotta do is go to your van to "get an evidence bag" or "handcuffs", then start the engine and drive off. By the time they realize that you're never coming back for the zip tied person, you're already hid the van and swapped outfits several miles away from the crime scene.
Just waiting for someone to dress up like ICE and kidnap ICE so we can have ICE with our ICE
Yo dawg...
If ICE agents behave like criminal thugs why wouldn't criminal thugs behave like ICE agents?
or they are one in the same, ooh.
i think a guy who steals a $1000 is still overall a more decent human being than a guy who kidnaps and imprisons people because, well, he didn't like the vibe (of their skin colour or accent)
imagine the relief of that latino woman when instead of being taken and thrown into a cage with no way to get out or prove her citizenship status the guy just took some money.
ICE are worse than thugs
For all we know, this guy is active duty ICE and just robbing people in his free time.
All maga are terrorists. It is a terrorist organization.
Awesome. Force the police to identify themselves.
Remember the right claiming Floyd protesters were all looters? Itso happens whenever the nation is in distress (in this economical and societal context) the smartest of potential crimedoers would take that as an opportunity. Whenever it's some natural disaster or social conflict, there would be some to use it. And it's fucking frightening that America came to the point that the thing that bothers us is that thugs didn't have a real license to do thugs' things, and every other article going by the #ICE tag is not just stealing, but kidnapping people into Salvador camps, so getting mugged by fake ICE officer is better than meeting the real ones now? It's a fucking circus.
I hope we start seeing people dressing up as ICE agents and then disappearing real ICE agents while they're off duty. Just round them up. When they protest and try to show their citizenship papers, just call them fake. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Everybody pretends to be an ICE agent to steal or commit violence, it is an utterly illegitimate mob of thugs loyal to a dictator.
The only thing that isn't pretend about ICE is the bigotry and violence.
I see no meaningful difference between these people and "actual ICE agents".
The meaningful difference is the relief felt by this poor woman when she discovered she was just being robbed, not deported.
just being robbed, not ~~deported~~.
*sent to the off-shore extra-judicial concentration camps
How many ''ICE'' agents does it take to empty out a bank? I'm thinking of writing a Hollywood film.
Many commenters totally predicted this sort of thing.
Remember, in the US, you can be charged for obstructing a plain-clothes officer's duties even before they ID themselves. (I'm not a lawyer but you could refer to 18 USC 111 or 18 USC 1501, or the fact that police don't need to know the law properly to enforce it, Heien v. North Carolina)
And, fake-ICE cosplayers like this guy can have their charges dropped by DOJ or pardoned by Trump.
So if you get visited by someone unknown, you're damned if you do or you don't. Demand a judicial warrant and wait to receive one with an actual judge's signature, before you open the door to agents you don't know.
ICE peoples are criminals
Dear Americans,
You're well within your right to shoot ICE agents on sight.
Oh no, Your Honor, you don't understand, that guy on lemmy said I could do it
After the guy left the lady was probably like “thank god that wasn’t an ice agent.”
Nah, this isn’t what we feared would happen. We’re equally concerned with the actual officers committing crimes against people, if not more so due to their access to resources and being backed by the government.
Yeah, I mean how do we know for sure this wasn't actually an ICE agent? Because ICE said he wasn't? Why would I trust those assholes?
I had to double check if this was the onion, and now I'm still wondering in the back of my mind if this is some meme.
ROFL this simulation is getting so surreal.
(I feel bad for laughing at this fucked up world)
White people trying to get rich the same way they’ve been getting rich for the last 600 years: by stealing from brown people.
Yeah anyone now with a security/police/ice/military uniform is not acting with the constitution and is labeled a threat. They are not in charge of public safety anymore