America is not a fucking Christian Nation
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the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion
-- Treaty of Tripoli, 1797
Sometimes I really wish the founding fathers were around to just say, “Yeah, we were all atheists when we did this America thing. It just wasn’t fashionable at the time. So this idea that American was founded on Christianity, is well, just bullshit”
I mean they were literally fleeing religious persecution. Why would they bake religion into what they were creating?
In fairness a lot of the people "fleeing religious persecution" were the nutcases who thought there wasn't enough of it.
Not so much the founders, though.
Well they weren't fleeing persecution at all. Most of them were born in the US, years after the Quakers had stopped being persecuted in England.
Mostly Christians, but in the same way my parents say they're Christian. A churchless general belief in god and heaven. Deists, I think the proper word is.
I tend to call this type "nominal xtians". They might not have thought too much about the topic, don't really know anything at all about "the" bible, the doctrines of the denomination their parents/grandparents were part of, never go to church except maybe for weddings/funerals, etc...but also don't consider themselves agnostics or atheists. Often they may say they are spiritual, but not religious.
While they were fleeing religious persecution, they were not atheists. The original Pilgrims were Christians who believed the church of England to be beyond redemption. All of the founding fathers were raised in some Christian belief system, and more or less practiced their respective branches of Christianity.
They were certainly more open-minded in accepting beliefs that deviated from their own, but also certainly not atheist.
Eh, some were about as close to atheist as the social norms of the time would really permit. If you look at Jefferson, he made his own version of "the" bible in which he excised all the superstition. In their day, the Inquisition was still going on (ended in 1834) and making your own version of "the" bible was exactly the kind of thing that would get you declared a "heretic".
And then there is Thomas Paine...certainly being a Deist is something likely to get you in trouble with the crazy Inquisition types...as well as the Southern Baptists today...
That's the very definition of irony.
they were literally fleeing religious persecution. Why would they bake religion into what they were creating?
Because everyone thinks their opinions are the right ones.
Someone persecuting you doesn't mean you'll go somewhere else and not persecute others who are not on your side.
And here come all the nuts feeling brazen about open christian nationalism in a budding theocracy.
He was Sikh.
She doesn’t even know what she’s racist against.
LOL, she should change her name to Karen.
JFC.
Wow just the fact that she feels emboldened enough to dribble out this poison and post it online is telling.
Who's doing anything about it? Nobody is marching on their representative's homes and offices. No letter-campaigns, we can't even be bothered to vote as a country without it turning into the apathy-olympics.
big oof
The thought path of a short-minded individual: Turban->Muslim.
I'm all for a minimum IQ to enter politics. This would probably disqualify 50% of Congress & Senate. And 100% of the cabinet.
I heard somewhere that one of the first hate crimes against Muslims following 9/11 was against a Sikh person...
IQ is a poor metric (for just about anything).
We do need to work on election reform so that our elected representatives are more representative. Getting more people to vote (turn out in the U.S. is fairly low), avoiding partizan gerrymandering, using something other than FPtP.
That notwithstanding, but being as stupid and uneducated as US politicians regularly appear, such a regulation would be helpful regardless of how they are elected.
I disagree that an IQ restriction would be an improvement. It would just be another tool used by authority to marginalize. Competency tests have been used as such in both the U.S. South and Nazi Germany.
Improving the electorate and having the output of the voting process reflect their will is the only way forward.
My face when I found out the US has opening prayers in the house of government:
Seperation of... What was it again? logic and reason?
Money and fools.
(We're the fools, they get the money.)
Yeah, that's the really fucked up part of all of this. Being a USian, I knew this kind of thing, though.
This Karen is just miffed that xtianity is not given maximum unwarranted special privileges: "oh, we'll allow you people who have not opted in to our chosen lifestyle to exist (for now), but at every opportunity, we'll rub your noses in it that we think our chosen lifestyle's adherents are special little snowflakes that deserve praise for their lifestyle, and use the government to do it."
The US was founded as a secular state.. No getting around that. There were only a few devout christians in the original group of founding fathers. Most were deist. They had the recent memory of the thirty years wars where catholic and protestant armies had rampaged back and forth across Europe stealing the peoples food. Raping and burning out anyone who wouldn't convert. They did this to many who did convert. It was said at the time that they everyone kept two sets of bibles. They just hid one or the other depending on who had taken over at the time. That asshole regressive wouldn't ever be willing to admit that. Because she is too stupid to learn it.
I would take it one step further and say they (founding fathers) were possibly even atheists, or at the extreme, very agnostic theists with the idea that IF god does exist, he doesn’t care or bother about us (which of course is deism). It would have been very unpopular back then to say god doesn’t exist, so deism was a step in that direction. Just my theory.
In some cases sure. Hamilton was very religious. He was also tolerant of other. The main consensus among the founding fathers was tolerance of differing beliefs. Something these ignorant fools today never learnt or most probably ignore.
Today's reactionaries hate the (actual) American project as much as Tories way back when did.
They hate it with every fiber of their being. All their rhetoric about "America first" and the flag-waving and the pearl-clutching over "the troops"....all performative bullshit. They hate liberal democracy, they hate the Constitution, they hate the rule of law, and they hate freedom.
Very true.
A secular nation shouldn’t be having in house prayers from any denomination.
if we want to keep it secular, we need to make christians fear for their lives.
if america is evil genocidal country for funding israel, why does she choose to stay and fund the genocide? i mean why not just leave? wouldn't that be the more feasable moral thing to do? it will also impact multiple industries.
just curious
GOP keeps saying 'this is a Christian nation', but they don't want understand separation of church and state.
There is no state religion. If you open a state body to prayer, then all prayer is allowed, not just the prayers you want.
Long live the satanic temple.
a few bullets would go a long way to keeping us on track. destroy all religion for the sake of humanity
There should be no prayer in a secular institution
It’s a place for running a government not magical thinking
Oh they understand perfectly well. Hence why they're trying to destroy the separation of church and state.
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She 100% doesn't know that Muslims and Sikhs are different, and doesn't care.
Terrified of all brown people, like half of America post 9/11
This is indeed deeply troubling. Whoever voted for that racist piece of shit should be ashamed
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