This is not an isolated issue. This is how we treat animals and other humans (regarding the harpooning, we only do it figuratively to other humans, not literally).
Go vegan.
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We do it literally to other humans, look Gaza or South Sudan
What does veganism have to do with opposing whale hunting?
It's not just whales, one could draw the same comic about other animals being hunted or factory farmed, it would be very traumatic to live through. In fact Disney made an animated one about deer.
Factory farming is indeed very bad. But the way to fix it isn't to go vegan. The way to fix it is to campaign legislators to change the laws to stop factory farming. And being vegan, you've basically deleted yourself from that particular equation. Because now no one has any reason to listen to you on the subject.
Your point makes no sense.
People's morality about slaughtering meat is going to flip so hard once we get affordable lab grown meat, future generations will think of us as utter savages. But until then I don't think it's going to happen at scale
I doubt, it's going to make any sudden jumps. We have various vegan meat alternatives already, which are good, and you still have plenty people that feel personally attacked by the existence of morals, because they base their personality on eating dead animals.
Maybe that's because most of the vegan meat alternatives don't taste like what they're trying to replace, have a weird texture, or cause horrible gas/stomach problems.
We haven't cracked a good meat substitute yet, at least not for people that enjoy the real thing. We're close, but we're just not there yet.
I think it's a real shame too. I've had some fantastic veggie/potato burger. You gotta drop all pretense of the patty being meat, and instead just focus on making it tasty.
You've interpreted very different goal posts into my comment than I intended. My comment was deliberately unspecific, because I'm well aware that we all live in different situations. I can buy vegan meatballs in the shop, which taste like the real thing, but if I lived in a more rural region or in a different country, I might not be able to.
But what's essentially universal to the human experience is that there's some decent vegan protein source, which folks could be eating more of, if they wanted to. So, I'm not talking about switching over wholesale here. I'm saying most people could be eating more nuts, peas, beans, lentils, hummus, tofu, vegan meatballs, whatever. You're gonna find something.
Lots of folks don't even engage with that option, though. Either they're too lazy to learn something new, or they're psychopaths who don't care about morals in the first place, or they're caught up in identity politics of "I need to be strong, because I'm suffering from toxic masculinity, and to be strong, I need to be eating meat". And particularly in the last case, they often associate meat and manliness with their food having bled out.
As such, in terms of actual morality, lab-grown meat will
- maybe catch a few of the lazy folks, because they really don't have to exert even the slightest thought anymore, whether it's equivalent to what they usually eat,
- not get through to the psychopaths, because those never care about morals, and
- have a hard time with the toxic masculinity crowd. Maybe some of them will be rational enough that it's the same thing in the end, and so even though they're irrational in their belief that they need it for manliness, they might still accept it. But especially if the lab-grown meat isn't immediately perfect, I expect there to be persistent pushback, that it's not the real deal and whatever. The meat industry will gladly spread propaganda to reinforce that.
I don't mean to be that guy but, whales are delicious. And you get approx 3500kg of meat (low estimate) from a minke whale, whereas you'll get about 75kg from a commercially farmed pig. Meaning you have to kill 46 pigs to get the same amount of meat as 1 whale.
Both pigs and whales are intelligent and emotionally developed animals. Whales live free and normal lives up until the point of their harpooning, whereas pigs are kept in filthy overcrowded conditions and kept alive with antibiotics because they wouldn't last long without them. They are of course eventually killed, but unlike cattle they don't get a quick death from a bolt gun to the head. No pigs are asphyxiated with carbon dioxide. They spend the last moments of their tortured existence choking to death.
That doesn't take into account the massive environmental impact of large pig farms. Because pigs eat more nitrogen rich food than other farm animals, their feces leads to over nitrification of anything downstream and eutrophication of waterways.
So if you are sitting there chomping a bacon sandwich and bitching and moaning about whaling, take a long hard look in the mirror, because the pig farming you support is immeasurably worse both ethically and environmentally.
It's amazing that you can type out that novel and not once realize that whales are going towards extinction.
Probably because they were busy hunting the other ones...
Mink whales are not the only whales. But good on you for finding one that isn't yet critically endangered
Where I am it's the only whale species that's legal to hunt and there are strict quotas.
I get the point you're trying to make but if people ate whale the same way we ate pig the entire ocean ecosystem would have collapsed by now.
Not to mention almost all whale species are on their way to being endangered right now, while factory farmed pigs aren't.
Maybe just go with the line all meat is murder rather bacon is worse then whale flesh lmao.
We did almost hunt whales to extinction, but it wasnβt meat we were hunting for, it was their oily fat.
Exactly, most people don't actually like it that much.
I don't have a problem with people eating meat. I eat meat. I just don't like the way it's farmed what I'd propose is a largely vegetarian diet punctuated by fish or wild meat every so often. Like fish twice a week and venison on Sunday or something. As for whale, it's not really commonly eaten in many places and as long as people don't take too many, it's not necessarily a bad thing.
~~Harm free~~ cultured meat isn't murder and it's meat
I don't think harm free cultured meat exists yet.