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[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 141 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think when I first saw this comic, the punchline was "what's a four?" which I find funnier.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Yes this is the better version that I've seen too

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[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Every number system is base 10.

Binary is base 1+1.
Ternary is base 2+1.
Octal is base 7+1.
Decimal is base 9+1.
Duodecimal is base B+1.
Hexadecimal is base F+1.

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[–] owl@infosec.pub 33 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I like the little detail, that the alien has 10 fingers.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 7 points 1 week ago

The alien in the weird suit has 22 fingers

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[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 31 points 1 week ago
  1. 1
  2. 2
  3. 3
  4. 10
  5. 11
  6. 12
  7. 13
  8. 20
  9. 21
  10. 22

The astronaut should've told the alien "I use base 22."

[–] HKPiax@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (7 children)
[–] semperverus@lemmy.world 107 points 1 week ago

When you count up the 1's place, you go 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and then it rolls over into the 10s place.

But in "base 4", it goes: 0,1,2,3,10,11,12,13,20. 3 is the highest value possible in any of the digits place.

Therefore "10" in base 4 = 4 in base 10, but saying it in base 4 is written as 10.

You can change your base to any base and whatever base it is would have to be written as base 10 because the number above the highest one in that base doesnt exist, it's 10.

[–] cobysev@lemmy.world 57 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Lots of good explanations here, but one thing I'd like to clarify. WHY we add digits together to represent larger numbers. Understanding this helped me to count in binary when I was a young IT technician.

In base 10, we have 10 numbers we use to count everything, each represented by a single digit 0-9. There is no single digit to represent the number 10, so we add a digit to the left and start over at 0 on the right. Hence, the number 10. Then 11-19 in serial.

But we've run out of digits to use again. So we add another digit to the left and start over on the right. Thus, 20.

When you get to 100, you're now starting over at the right-most digit and have to fill up both right digits before the left digit moves up one.

Same goes for binary, where the only two digits are 0 and 1. Once you've counted to one, you've run out of digits to use, so you add a 1 to the left and start over on the right. So 2 is written as 10 in binary. Then 3 is 11. Then you've run out of digits again, so you add another one to the far left and start over. 4 is 100. 5 is 101. 6 is 110. 7 is 111. No more space, so add another 1 to the left and start over. 8 is 1000. 9 is 1001. 10 is 1010. 11 is 1011. 12 is 1100. And so on...

With computers, we sometimes use a hexadecimal numbering system, also known as base 16 (hex = 6, deca = 10). In this case, we need 16 unique digits before we start reusing them. So we borrow from the alphabet. We use 0-9, then go through A-F before we add a 1 to the left and start over at 0.

You can literally create a base-anything and use that to count numbers. Once you figure out how we add digits to count, it's super easy!

[–] Cenotaph@mander.xyz 10 points 1 week ago

Good ELI5 of the concept

[–] elaiden@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

Really good explanation. Always thought I had a general grasp of both binary and hexadecimal, but never really bothered to truly understand. Now I do from 1 minute of reading a comment. Thanks!

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[–] weird@sub.wetshaving.social 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Every base has a 10. Base 4 numbering goes 1, 2, 3, 10, 11, 12, 20 etc...

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] weird@sub.wetshaving.social 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My bad, but I guess I won't have bad luck

[–] kittehx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 week ago

that's 7 in base 10, so actually it's good luck you're not having

(assuming luck goes by numerical value and not written representation)

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

One, two... FIVE

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The number to describe a base is always the number 10 in that base

For example binary is base 2, it has only 1 and 0 as digits, and 2 in binary is 10.

Similarly for 4, and base 10.

So no matter what your numbering system is, with that system it is always base “10”

[–] Ava@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago

"Base" is the number of distinct integers you have in play. In Base 10, there are ten of them. 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. You can think of the numeric representation 10 as "1 ten, and 0 ones."

In Base 2 (binary) the only two digits available are 0 and 1. The first four binary numbers are 0, 1, 10, 11, which represent zero, one, two, and three. In Base 2, "10" means "1 two, and 0 ones." But, "Base 2" can't be written in binary, there's no concept of 2! Indeed, the way we reflect two in binary is 10. Which means, when we're talking in binary, "Base 2" is written as "Base 10."

This holds true for EVERY base. In Base 4, we have the digits 0, 1, 2, and 3. So if we want a value of four, we need to write it as 10. "1 four, 0 ones". So, when we're talking in Base 4, the way to say "Base 4" is ALSO by saying "Base 10"!

The trick behind it is that numbers written don't have context-free meaning. You can't communicate what "10" means without knowing how many distinct digits your conversational partner is working with. Most people have centralized on base 10, but there's no inherent advantage to doing things that way. Indeed, it's kind of awkward in lots of ways. Consider Base 12 (the digits of which are most often 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, A, B, as an aside). In Base 12, you can easily divide your base numbers by 1, 2, 3, 4. That's SUPER handy, since we obviously break things up into groups of 3 and 4 pretty often in our daily lives, but that's pretty painful in Base 10 because you immediately run into the need for fractions.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago

Base 10 means when you count it goes: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

Base 4 means when you count it goes: 1 2 3 10. 10 would still be equivalent to 4, 11 would be 5, 12 would be 6, and 20 would be 8.

To an alien that counted in base 4, base 4 would be base 10, because 4 is where they start adding 0s to numbers and they don’t have a concept of what 4 is. Probably not really if they were a mathematician alien, but it made me laugh.

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

If you count in base 10 (from 0 to 19):

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19

Base 4 (from 0 to 7):

0 1 2 3

10 11 12 13

Base 16 (from 0 to 31):

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a b c d e f

10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 1a 1b 1c 1d 1e 1f

[–] lefixxx@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (11 children)

It's a language issue. We say 10 because we don't have a single digit symbol to represent 10. If a alien with 20 fingers came we wouldn't recognized their symbols for anything bigger than 9. Base 4 creatures don't use 4 because after 3 comes 10 for them.

[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Base 16 is used all the time in computer science. The symbols for 9+ aren't arcane or unrecognizable it's 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F. It's often written with an 0X in front to indicate hexadecimal or something like 'h for hex and 'd for decimal.

Examples:

  • 'h7 = 'd7
  • 'hC = 'd12
  • 'hF = 'd15
  • 'h7CF = 'd(7 × 16^2^) + (12 × 16^1^) + (15 × 16^0^) = 'd1792 + 'd192 + 'd15 = 'd1999
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[–] Opisek@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

What do you mean they don't use A B C D E for 10 11 12 13 13 15?

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[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] Shellbeach@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

are belong to us

[–] TheThrillOfTime@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When I was bored in math class I used to convert my homework into binary to see if it still worked.

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[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Every base is base 10.

What about base 0? Checkmate, mathists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unary_numeral_system

[–] YellowTraveller@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 9 points 1 week ago

it would be 'what's a base?'

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[–] Tja@programming.dev 14 points 1 week ago

Humans use base 0x0A. Beep boop.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

all your base are belong to us

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[–] ragas@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If the human was smart he would say that we use base 22. Then everyone would understand.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

yeah but to be fair how smart can an astronaut be

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Hey everyone! We have this skyscraper sized tank of hydrogen and oxidizer! Who wants to sit on top when we light it on fire?

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[–] SuperApples@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

In Chinese/Japanese, there's 四 rocks in both base 10, and base 4. (8 rocks would be 二四 in base 4).

I think the concept of "base" is easier to understand when you include a numeral for the highest base (10 = 十, 20 =二十).

Of course, arabic numerals are more concise, using position to imply meaning (21 = 二十一).

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Doesn't base 4 only go up to 三? Like binary is base 2 and only has 0 and 1. 四 would be base 5.

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[–] dnick@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] lefixxx@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Doesn't matter how many digits you use. The first number after the last possible single digit is 10. If the first digit tier is 0 and the second is 1 it means it's the number after you have used all the possible digits to express a number with a single digit number. Guess it's harder to explain.

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