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[–] BBQuicktime@thelemmy.club 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Honestly I'm surprised a republican is pushing for solar energy.

Also, I'm not sure how much those in the article cost, but the kind you bolt down to a roof can easily cost you into the thousands, so it takes a while for them to pay for themselves, which isn't something everybody's going to be okay with.

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The article mentions around 800W of solar being typical, so around $250-350 for the panels plus some mounting hardware and a micro inverter. Maybe $1000 total?

If your energy rates are high it could pay for itself in a few years.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 6 days ago

Utah seems to be doing some cool things lately (try are featured in this article). They were at IIW this year talking about their new digital identity setup, too.

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 77 points 1 week ago (1 children)

HOAs and Condo rules and shit.

[–] unphazed@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wonder if you add an antenna and a small radio tower if OTARD would keep you protected? Gotta get power to it, so solar would make sense... hell, even a tv antenna with a booster would need power.

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[–] db2@lemmy.world 69 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Affording a balcony might be step one though.

[–] nagaram@startrek.website 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I wanted an apartment with a balcony but they're all $500+ more a month in rent then I'm already paying.

[–] funkajunk@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago (5 children)

This isn't for filthy renters

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[–] underline960@sh.itjust.works 64 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (28 children)

Tl;dr: Because we haven't created a safety standard for it.

The lack of an Underwriters Laboratories (UL) standard is perhaps the biggest obstacle to the adoption of balcony solar. The company certifies the safety of thousands of household electrical products; according to Iowa State University, “every light bulb, lamp, or outlet purchased in the US usually has a UL symbol and says UL Listed.” This assures customers that the product follows nationally recognized guidelines and can be used without the risk of a fire or shock.

!savedyouaclick@lemmy.world

[–] weew@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 week ago

Safety standards? Sounds like anti-profit standards! Guess who DOGE is cutting next!

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[–] Grimtuck@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I imagine it's because they're bolted down quite well

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[–] tonytins@pawb.social 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh, to be in Europe right now.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Visa marriages! I think here in Sweden at least it's not super difficult to get permanent residency via cohabitation, and cohabitation doesn't even require any particular paperwork. Granted, it's been a while since I looked into it, and with a government that's all chummy with the alt-right our immigration rules have gotten tighter, so things might've changed.

I'm hoping with the massive anti-US sentiment going right now, that the next government won't be right wing.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's gotten significantly worse in basically every regard here in Sweden with regards to immigration, unfortunately.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 6 points 1 week ago

Yay for Neo-Nazis in government. :(

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Micro solar is doable for anyone with yard space though. Forget the grid and buy some battery storage, put all the electronics into a small shed (like a garbage can box or something, an enclosure to keep out rain). Put up panels anywhere you want. Run the inverter output into your house.

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

Got a friend with a cabin, and instead of a whole grid they found it simpler to plug their secondhand panels into a battery pack about the size of a car battery that has 110v, 12v, and USB outlets. They charge on the panels at home and it lasts the weekend at the cabin.

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[–] tatann@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

"I don't want no woke commie energy"

[–] Pyotr@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

I just took portable ones and ziptied them to my balcony connected to a solar generator. Works to feed all my electronics and server equipment. It only connects to the grid if its depleted, never feeds power back in.

So you can still do this in the states, so long as you're not feeding into the grid.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've never heard of balcony solar panels, much less ones you plug right into an outlet? Asked my German roomie and he's got no clue either.

How does plugging a power source into an outlet work? I'm no electrician, so that sounds bananas to me.

[–] varyingExpertise@feddit.org 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It detects a voltage connected to the plug and starts feeding with slightly higher voltage, done.

These are really common in Germany, even being sold as sets at supermarkets occasionally.

As long as you have one of the old Ferraris style meters, it just runs backwards, these usually pay for themselves in about three years on a sunny balcony that way.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Huh, the wiring just supports power spontaneously coming from an exit point rather than an entry? Is that commonplace?

Either way, that's fascinating! Thanks for taking the time to enlighten me!

[–] varyingExpertise@feddit.org 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Huh, the wiring just supports power spontaneously coming from an exit point rather than an entry? Is that commonplace?

Why wouldn't it? Electrical wiring isn't a one way road, electricity (this is an extreme oversimplification, especially when it comes to AC) will always flow from points of high voltage to points of lower voltage. That's how solar inverters feed into the grid. Raise their voltage a tad bit higher than the grid and match the frequency and phase of the grid until the outflow matches their maximum available power.

Is that commonplace?

That is a hard question, because this isn't a feature, it's how things are. Only thing one needs to take care of is that the solar inverter doesn't deliver so much power that the circuit can consume beyond the circuit breakers capacity, otherwise the breaker would be rendered useless. That's why these small plug inverters are limited to 800W in Germany, that puts the entire possible load on a 16A circuit into the general upper limit that is still within the safety margin fro 16A circuits.

EDIT: Now before someone gets the bright idea to connect their diesel generator to the grid this way: Don't. It will not be in sync or phase and that will make something spectacular happen, but it will not supply the grid. Either have an expensive generator that is able to sync to the grid or have a grid disconnect and switchover in front of your generator plugin socket.

EDITEDIT: Also please never connect an island capable solar inverter to a plug. The ones described above are safe that way, because they wait for grid voltage to be available before they do anything, so there will never be high voltage on the open plug. An island capable solar inverter does by definition not do that. There will be high voltage on the plug and it will kill you and it will hurt like a fucker the entire time you're dying.

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[–] ReverendIrreverence@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

without reading the article I will guess... HOA regulations. How'd I do?

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Or the fact that most people with balconies live in rented apartments and apartment managers aren't going to pay to subsidize an electric bill that tenants are entirely responsible for paying.

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Yep. My apartment has restrictions in the lease that would prevent me from clamping solar panels as pictured.

[–] brot@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Not so good - issue is that your "code" for electrical installations doesn't include balcony solar and that your institutions are not able to include it because of reasons that do not make sense to anyone outside the USA

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