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In password security, the longer the better. With a password manager, using more than 24 characters is simple. Unless, of course, the secure password is not accepted due to its length. (In this case, through STOVE.)

Possibly indicating cleartext storage of a limited field (which is an absolute no-go), or suboptimal or lacking security practices.

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[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

In my opinion, an acceptable password length should be L in ln(alphabetSize^L)/ln(2) = (B bits of entropy). For a Bech32 character set (since it excludes ambiguous characters), alphabetSize = 32. A good password should have been 96 and 256 bits of entropy, with 128 bits being my personal preference. This means L = (B)*ln(2)/ln(alphabetSize) = 128*ln(2)/ln(32) = 25.6 = 26 characters.

That's… pretty close to what OP said they were restricted to, so maybe the person who set the 24 character restriction used a similar methodology.

[–] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

26 characters? Perfect!

abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz it is! And I'll use it for everything!

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

That's the combination to my luggage!

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That would suck to enter. Much better to do qwertyuiopasdfhhjklzxcvbnm

Or if you are cool: pyfgcrlaoeuidhnnsjkxbmwvq

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

I had this problem with a fucking bank once. Even better are the sites that silently chop off characters after the internal limit, on the backend, but don't tell you or limit the characters on the frontend. I had a really fun time with that last scenario once, resetting my password over and over and having it never work until I decided to just try a shorter password.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 4 points 4 days ago

At one point years ago my work finally caught up with the 21st century and allowed creation of passwords longer than the fixed 8 characters it had always been. So I said great, made up something that was around 12 or so that I could remember. Until I logged into some terminal legacy programs we were still using and wouldn't take that length. So yeah, I went back to 8 characters that wouldn't break things. They eventually migrated away from such old programs and longer passwords became mandatory since they'd work everywhere, but I thought it was funny that briefly I tried to do the right thing but IT hadn't thought out the whole picture yet.

[–] fluckx@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (7 children)

You think that's infuriating? Imagine having an ISP that wants you to pick a password of max 8 characters.

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YES, it pisses me off so much. Though I do kind see for some things having some upper limit of 256 for certain services. But I may be wrong in thinking that.

For example I want a secure bank password but I only need it so long. Mainly because unlike my E2EE service if they are servered a warrant or hacked through another service all my data is there. Basically I can only do so much.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

a game i played doesnt allow special characthers or its too long.

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