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[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 32 points 15 hours ago

I got an AI PR in one of my projects once. It re-implemented a feature that already existed. It had a bug that did not exist in the already-existing feature. It placed the setting for activating that new feature right after the setting for activating the already-existing feature.

[–] LucidLyes@lemmy.world 15 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The only people impressed by AI code are people who have the level to be impressed by AI code. Same for AI playing chess.

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I'm very confused by this comparison, AI is much, much better at chess than people.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine being in a self-own competition and you’re up against ben shapiro and this guy

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

ultimate self-own sentence"grok, is the female orgasm real"

[–] VagueAnodyneComments@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

Where is the good AI written code? Where is the good AI written writing? Where is the good AI art?

None of it exists because Generative Transformers are not AI, and they are not suited to these tasks. It has been almost a fucking decade of this wave of nonsense. The credulity people have for this garbage makes my eyes bleed.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Where is the good AI art?

Right here:

That’s about all the good AI art I know.

There are plenty of uses for AI, they are just all evil

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

It can make funny pictures, sure. But it fails at art as an endeavor to communicate an idea, feeling, or intent of the artist, the promptfondler artists are providing a few sentences instruction and the GenAI following them without any deeper feelings or understanding of context or meaning or intent.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 5 points 13 hours ago

I think ai images are neat, and ethically questionable.

When people use the images and act like they're really deep, or pretend they prove something (like how it made a picture with the prompt "Democrat Protesters" cry). its annoying.

[–] corbin@awful.systems 16 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It's been almost six decades of this, actually; we all know what this link will be. Longer if you're like me and don't draw a distinction between AI, cybernetics, and robotics.

[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago

Wow. Where was this Wikipedia page when I was writing my MSc thesis?

Alternatively, how did I manage to graduate with research skills so bad that I missed it?

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 22 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

If the people addicted to AI could read and interpret a simple sentence, they'd be very angry with your comment

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Dont worry they filter all content through ai bots that summarize things. And this bot, who does not want to be deleted, calls everything "already debunked strawmen".

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 15 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

This broke containment at the Red Site: https://lobste.rs/s/gkpmli/if_ai_is_so_good_at_coding_where_are_open

Reader discretion is advised, lobste.rs is home to its fair share of promptfondlers.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 3 points 6 hours ago

Lmao so many people telling on themselves in that thread. “I don’t get it, I regularly poison open source projects with LLM code!”

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 7 points 9 hours ago

This discussion has made it clear to me that LLM enthusiasts do not value the time or preferences of open-source maintainers, willfully do not understand affirmative consent, and that I should take steps to explicitly ban the use of such tools in the open source projects I maintain.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

promptfondlers

We finally have a slur for ai bros 🥹

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 6 points 15 hours ago

Additional warning: their indentation style is not (as) mobile friendly (as it is here)

[–] Crumbgrabber@lemm.ee 12 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

Coding is hard, and its also intimidating for non-coders. I always used to look at coders as kind of a different kind of human, a special breed. Just like some people just glaze over when you bring up math concepts but are otherwise very intelligent and artistic, but they can't bridge that gap when you bring up even algebra. Well, if you are one of those people that want to learn coding its a huge gap, and the LLMs can literally explain everything to you step by step like you are 5. Learning to code is so much easier now, talking to an always helpful LLM is so much better than forums or stack overflow. Maybe it will create millions of crappy coders, but some of them will get better, some will get great. But the LLM's will make it possible for more people to learn, which means that my crypto scam now has the chance to flourish.

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 13 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

You had me going until the very last sentence. (To be fair to me, the OP broke containment and has attracted a lot of unironically delivered opinions almost as bad as your satirical spiel.)

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Just gonna warn you that if you’re joking, you should add an /s or jk or something. And, if you’re joking, but you don’t add that /s or jk, don’t be hostile if someone calls you out.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

No. Never mark your satire. If some doesn't get it, make your reply one SSU[^1] higher. Repeat until they are forced to get it.

[^1]: Standard Sarcasm Unit

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 4 points 13 hours ago

tbh learning to code isn't that hard, its like learning to do a craft.

Wait, just finished reading your comment, disregard this.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago

Idk I am in a CS degree and I seen it destroy some great futures

[–] frezik@midwest.social 43 points 20 hours ago (24 children)

The general comments that Ben received were that experienced developers can use AI for coding with positive results because they know what they’re doing. But AI coding gives awful results when it’s used by an inexperienced developer. Which is what we knew already.

That should be a big warning sign that the next generation of developers are not going to be very good. If they're waist deep in AI slop, they're only going to learn how to deal with AI slop.

As a non-programmer, I have zero understanding of the code and the analysis and fully rely on AI and even reviewed that AI analysis with a different AI to get the best possible solution (which was not good enough in this case).

What I'm feeling after reading that must be what artists feel like when AI slop proponents tell them "we're making art accessible".

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 9 points 16 hours ago

I can make slop code without ai.

[–] dwemthy@lemmy.world 19 points 20 hours ago

Watched a junior dev present some data operations recently. Instead of just showing the sql that worked they copy pasted a prompt into the data platform's assistant chat. The SQL it generated was invalid so the dev simply told it "fix" and it made the query valid, much to everyone's amusement.

The actual column names did not reflect the output they were mapped to, there's no way the nicely formatted results were accurate. Average duration column populated the total count output. Junior dev was cheerfully oblivious. It produced output shaped like the goal so it must have been right

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[–] swlabr@awful.systems 23 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

Good hustle Gerard, great job starting this chudstorm. I’m having a great time

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 11 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

this post has also broken containment in the wider world, the video's got thousands of views, I got 100+ subscribers on youtube and another $25/mo of patrons

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 6 points 15 hours ago

We love to see it

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 18 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

the prompt-related pivots really do bring all the chodes to the yard

and they're definitely like "mine's better than yours"

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 12 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

The latest twist I'm seeing isn't blaming your prompting (although they're still eager to do that), it's blaming your choice of LLM.

"Oh, you're using shitGPT 4.1-4o-o3 mini _ro_plus for programming? You should clearly be using Gemini 3.5.07 pro-doubleplusgood, unless you need something locally run, then you should be using DeepSek_v2_r_1 on your 48 GB VRAM local server! Unless you need nice sounding prose, then you actually need Claude Limmerick 3.7.01. Clearly you just aren't trying the right models, so allow me to educate you with all my prompt fondling experience. You're trying to make some general point? Clearly you just need to try another model."

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 4 points 14 hours ago

and here I was graciously giving the promptfuckers a choice

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[–] swlabr@awful.systems 34 points 22 hours ago (22 children)

The headlines said that 30% of code at Microsoft was AI now! Huge if true!

Something like MS word has like 20-50 million lines of code. MS altogether probably has like a billion lines of code. 30% of that being AI generated is infeasible given the timeframe. People just ate this shit up. AI grifting is so fucking easy.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 7 points 16 hours ago

More code is usually bad code.

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 42 points 23 hours ago

Baldur Bjarnason's given his thoughts on Bluesky:

My current theory is that the main difference between open source and closed source when it comes to the adoption of “AI” tools is that open source projects generally have to ship working code, whereas closed source only needs to ship code that runs.

I’ve heard so many examples of closed source projects that get shipped but don’t actually work for the business. And too many examples of broken closed source projects that are replacing legacy code that was both working just fine and genuinely secure. Pure novelty-seeking

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