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Tales from Tech Support

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We were preparing for clients to be permanently onsite who required Internet access. We don't want them on our network and they don't want to be on ours either for security reasons, so we provide a simple consumer grade broadband line. It's just the ISP router to a dumb unmanaged switch wired up to each desk, plain and simple. I test each socket myself, every single one is fine.

Someone from the client comes in, they spend the day doing whatever and nothing is brought up. They proceed with their plans to get their staff come in, equipment is delivered, they set up their own desks. We're literally providing furniture and a basic home network style basic ISP line. Everything else is theirs.

They complain that they can't get online, and fall back to whatever previous arrangement they had so they're not in the office. I test each port with my laptop, again working perfectly. Report this and suggest to discuss in person if they can replicate it.

Someone comes back in. No fault found. Cool. They get their people to come back in.

"It's not working again". Test with my laptop, demonstrate Internet is working immediately. I explain how there's nothing special about this network whatsoever. No firewall no proxy no filter no nothing. It's just connect and go, there's nothing to configure or enable or log into. It just works, for me. I suggest contacting their own IT for support.

In the background on our side there's some grumbling and "you said you tested this" and "the client are unhappy and raising it to our management". Shrug. WorksOnMyMachine.jpg

Client falls back to previous working arrangements again, WFH I assume. Their IT comes in, we meet and demonstrate both our laptops "just work". We have a brief polite, ultra professional conversation about next steps. You know the type. Neutral tone, customer service voice, and the unspoken communication that this is either a you problem or an us problem, and it's not us.

Client has been updated that their IT confirms Internet is working. Client returns to site. Internet not working. Louder and stronger grumblings from our managers. Shrug. WorksOnTheirMachineToo.jpg

Nonetheless this is obviously all my fault so I go to meet the client. They're all back in the office, again none of them can get online. I take my laptop, plug it in. INTERNET, yaaaaaaaay. Client team manager remains absolutely professional, but is strong in their desire to "get to the bottom of this so we can proceed as agreed in The Contract, obviously we can't work here if none of us can get online"

"Well. Except Bob"

Huh?

"Bob's the only one who's been getting online"

Oh well good for Bob. Well done Bob. Bob's actually piqued my interest. This is no longer a you problem, this is now a puzzle. Now I'm actually personally invested.

I drop all assumptions about their equipment, which again they installed and set up themselves. Their hardware, them wiring it all up, so it's my first time actually looking properly. I Ask Permission to Investigate Their Equipment, express that I will do my best but I am limited by not having any account on their systems, let alone admin. This is agreed and reinforces that I would never have touched their gear without their authorisation.

I do some basic tests on Bob's laptop under his account. All working fine as reported. Move onto the next desk, not working. I go to check the obvious, physical connection, and wtf is this?

This isn't that long ago but it's the first time I've seen one of those USB-C laptop charger/docks. The ones with HDMI, extra USB, network adapter, 3.5mm audio etc. My brain halts for a moment. It calls back to the 2000s when a friend had a PCI card, he had no end of intermittent problems with this multiple function gigabit network card, USB and Firewire device.

It's New. And it's trying to Do More Than One Thing At A Time. I immediately hate it.

"Everyone please disconnect your docks, except for this desk I am at now"

Client staff disconnect, including Bob. The laptop I'm sitting at can all of a sudden pull up a Google search for asdfghjkl.

"I'll disconnect this one, the person on the next desk please connect and try your internet"

asdfghjkl, immediate search results displayed. I tell client manager I believe I know what next steps are and I'll email their IT. She's obviously tech literate enough to know I've proved something and seems confident in me now, some of the business language tone softens.

I email. "Hey client IT. I think it's your docks and their network adapter. They do work, but only one at a time. As its your kit I'll leave it with you to confirm but that's my suspicion. Honestly I don't want to be right about this but hope this helps"

A little while later I hear back client IT updated firmware on all the desks and the problems disappear. Management scoff, obviously it was a them issue all along. I get exactly the amount of apologies and congratulations I've come to expect.

I did get one thank you though. From the client manager. A sincere one, even through the professional mask.

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[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Awww, I was hoping for a broadcast storm.

But yea, some of those docks are POS. Not the first time hearing they have shared macs. I have had CCTV cameras share MACs before.

The vendor didn't like me sending them back.

[–] scuppie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Shared MACs, you're fucking kidding??

"Hey it's fine no one would ever want more than one of our product, right?"

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Hey man incrementing a number for a new MAC is expensive!

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Only one device per Lan segment right?

What do you mean you have more then 4000 end users?

[–] 7U5K3N@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

broadcast storm

That's a new term for me. Thanks. I have a Dell dock that does this and absolutely crushes my home network.

Unmanaged switch to unmanaged switch to dock.. and it absolutely freaks the fuck out. Apparently it's a bug with some dell docks. Good times.

I have to run my PC wireless. LoL

[–] litchralee@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Oh wow, I was flummoxed until the end, thinking it had to be some sort of common OS configuration common to the client's IT. A firmware issue is wild, in the sense that surely someone would have noticed earlier if more than one client employee was on the same wired segment.

I do wonder what the old firmware was doing wrong. MAC address collision maybe?

[–] scuppie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago

I wondered that myself, something must have been duplicating for all but one to get denied? I can't believe even that manufacturer would reuse the same MAC but whatever it was I guessed they're all sending but only one was getting a reply.

I assumed they had maybe a proxy set for their corporate network they'd forgotten to untick or something.

[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

My thoughts exactly. Probably fixable by manually setting another MAC address for each device in the driver settings but still, should obviously never happen.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

God i hate dock firmware... a skyscraper sized middle finger to HP for all the g5 dock issues before firmware version 1.14

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

G4s and g2s as well. Oh, your computer updated? Well, your dock firmware needs an update now too. But your hp computer can't talk to your hp docking station until the firmware is updated!

Why? Because fuck you?

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

which G4?! THERES FIVE DIFFERENT ONES!!!

  • The old g4 dock
  • 120w
  • 120w TAA
  • 280w
  • 280w TAA
[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Short answer: yes Long answer, every single one of them that has firmware from early 2024 and earlier.

Even longer answer and solution: the only way I have found that can bypass this issue is by connecting the laptop to it, turning the laptop off, holding the power button down for 20 seconds until the keyboard lights turn on and then turn back off again, and then waiting five seconds, then turning it back on, and then it will connect to the dock until it is disconnected, which gives you one power cycle in which that you can update the firmware to bypass this issue.

Either that or connect a different laptop that hasn't been updated so that the firmware isn't locked out from interacting with the laptop.

That process is the process by which the onboard thunderbolt adapter is reset, which for some reason bypasses the issue of the docking station being locked out, and chances are, if you find a cheap one that people are saying doesn't fucking work, and you use this process with it, you can actually flash the firmware and get it to work again.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Plus the other fun issues with more than 2 high res (4k) monitors. Not convinced it isnt the monitors we have at work, but so many janky issues with monitors.

HP support had us switch to Active HDMI-to-DP adapters (which solved the issue of monitors going to sleep for no apparent reason; straight displayport cables are just screwy). But the dock (per HP) doesn't have the bandwidth to the laptop for more than 2 4K at 60hz; a third will drop to 4k 30hz.

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I can understand that being a limitation of Thunderbolt 3. I have not tried the active HDMI to DP adapters. I may actually look into that because we have dozens of computers that use these docs and every single one of them have instances where the monitors just go black right in the middle of something for one to five seconds and then turns back on again.

There are newer ones that use Thunderbolt 4, which still have the same blackout issue, but that might have the bandwidth needed to power 3 4k monitors at 60Hz

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

instances where the monitors just go black right in the middle of something for one to five seconds and then turns back on again.

We had a mix of that, and having to actually power cycle the monitor itself (some kind of hard sleep state?) to get it to display; both issues stopped occurring after using the Active adapter and HDMI cables. YMMV

The G5 docks are so stable now that i'd rather just use one of those and the travel charger than the g4 dock tbh (battery hardly drained a zbook fury g10 even without the travel charger)