I don't really see the point in low powered small devices like this, when something like an iPad/Galaxy Tab/eInk tablet is far better suited to the typical tasks you'd use them for.
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we don't do things because we need to. we do things because we can.
playing doom on a iPod or Zune is completely awful. so why does it exist? because someone willed it into existence. why? because they could.
Aperture Science. We do what we must, because we can. For the good of all of us. Except the ones who are dead.
For awhile now I've been thinking about how nice it would be to have a something like a modern version of the Poqet PC.
The Poqet PC had a much nicer keyboard than the laptop in the article, and between the simplicity of its software and a very aggressive power management strategy (it actually paused the CPU between keystrokes) it could last for weeks to months on two AA batteries.
Imagine a modern device with the same design sensibilities. Instead of an LCD screen you could use e-ink. For both power efficiency, and because the e-ink wouldn't be well suited to full motion video the user interface could text/keyboard based (though you could still have it display static images). Instead of the 8088 CPU you could use something like an ARM Cortex M0+, which would give you roughly the same amount of power as a 486 for less than 1/100th the wattage of the 8088. Instead of the AAs you could use sodium ion or lithium titanate cells for their wide temperature range and high cycle life (and although these chemistries have a lower energy density than lithium ion, they'd probably still give you more capacity than the AAs, especially if you used prismatic cells). With such a miniscule power consumption you could keep a device like that charged with a solar panel built into the case.
Such a device would have very little computing power compared to even a smartphone, but it could still be useful for a lot of things. Besides things like text editors or spreadsheets, you could replicate the functionality of the Wiki Reader and the Cybiko (imagine something like the Cybiko with LoRaWAN). You could maybe even keep a copy of Open Street Map on there, though I don't know how computationally expensive parsing its data format and displaying a map segment is.
I had one of the original netbooks (Asus EEEPC) back in the mid 2000s and I absolutely loved that thing. It was really great for bopping around college and travelling and such and had a killer battery life of like 8 or 10 hours or something like that. I used to run Win 7 dual booted with Ubuntu
There was a MacBook 12 inch like this that my business partner loved. It would last all day on a charge and he was building our app with it (Xcode and I think clang builds).
This was 10 years ago though.
It looks pretty cute. But holy shit the mouse on that thing looks awful to use.
Urgh. Why do they always have to ramble about AI?
There was one paragraph about AI. Hardly a ramble.
I appreciated it, since he didn't do a legit stress test. Running a local llm is intensive on the hardware, and if it performs well on that, it'll likely perform well on most standard, non-useless tasks. So, I see that part as a makeshift stress test.
Right but all it's testing is the hardware. The hardware would be the same if it was running Windows.
That's all I want a stress test to test...
Eight inches ought to be enough for anyone!
It was enough for yo mom ohhhhhhhh!
j/k
did her twice, huh?
I can't imagine many people would find this a pleasant device to do any actual work on. Maybe writers on the go, as the author says, though with a dubious keyboard layout even that is questionable.
Docks are pretty great now.
I have a dock at home and at work. Single cable to plug in and get proper peripherals, 2 + 1 monitors, and power.
It's nice to be able to undock and go sit in a Cafe to read emails or do whatever you don't need full regalia for.
I can see this working on a smaller form factor.
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But can it play doom 3?
It can play 20 separate instances of Doom 2.
It can play doom 40?
I remember my 9 inch "netbook." That thing was dope.
I'm down to see this form factor make a comeback, personally.
ASUS still makes netbooks.
I bought a little $200 model a few years ago. It weighs 9 oz.
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My eeePC still works. Installed a touch screen. The battery and power adapter is long gone but it keeps on chugging with a random 12V power supply.
I had one of those but the tiny keyboard used to drive me nuts it was literally unusable.
I had a 9" HP mini 2140-- the keyboard was surprisingly good given its size.
It's just a shame the build quality matched the price and they fell apart in short order.
Plus it was horrifically slow for everything. Even when new.
I remember having 10 inch netbook. It was okay for a while, but I would never want to go back to 10 inch display on a laptop. It's just horrible to use. 13 inches is ideal for me =)
Well, at least it's 1920x1200 resolution. The old 10" netbooks mostly had 1024x600 which was terrible even by standards from 15 years ago.
I've got this little tablet...you know how so many people turn an iPad into a crappy laptop by adding a keyboard cover to it? Well Lenovo turned a laptop into a crappy iPad by making the hinge a floppy skin flap with a magnetic pogo pin connector. I intended it as a little computer I can use in the wood shop, I wanted something fanless and preferably with a removable keyboard so it wouldn't be destroyed by sawdust that can run FreeCAD natively.
I'm not sure Linux is ready for tablets. FreeCAD is not ready for tablets or laptops, holy fuck it's unusable without a 5 button mouse and a spaceball. I may have to distro hop a little on the thing because it likes to wake up with the keyboard attached, not recognize the keyboard, and stay permanently in portrait mode. So wake up the computer, rip the keyboard off, wait a second, reattach.
It's kind of fuckpuke, tbh.
10 inch screen size isn't a problem though. For a general laptop I'd want to go 13 inches but for something I'm mostly going to use as a tablet and then occasionally as a laptop 10 will do.
I’ve got this little tablet…you know how so many people turn an iPad into a crappy laptop by adding a keyboard cover to it? Well Lenovo turned a laptop into a crappy iPad by making the hinge a floppy skin flap with a magnetic pogo pin connector. I intended it as a little computer I can use in the wood shop, I wanted something fanless and preferably with a removable keyboard so it wouldn’t be destroyed by sawdust that can run FreeCAD natively.
I have an 11" M1 iPad Pro with a Logitech keyboard case. It was intended to be my "laptop". Clearly that didn't work out, as Apple hath decreed that running full-blown VMs on hardware that's more than capable of doing so is not allowed on the iPad, despite the fact that the same hardware runs Mac OS in the Macbook line.
I have a Thinkpad T14 G1 now.
You didn't buy it intending to run VMs on it without checking that it could actually run VMs did you? haha
I get your point though - iPad Pros have absolutely killer hardware that is let down by iPadOS. I would own one of the latest ones if it ran MacOS.
Noooo lmao, I bought it because I had the means and I thought I deserved to buy myself a nice tablet for once, instead of the shitty Samsung A-series or cheap Kindles I'd been attempting to poke and prod at... So when I heard about the M1 going into the iPad, I jumped at it. The "potential" was a bonus.
Now, it's just a glorified youtube machine that occasionally sees OBD-II usage for my cars. Which my Pixel, or a shitty Samsung A-series, or a Kindle can also do.
cue RCR deep voice BUT IT'S GOT A STYLUS AND A KEYBOARD
I did the iPad-only thing for a year back in 2019/20 and while it was fine, I spent much of the time low-key irritated by the shit I had to jump through hoops for. Shit that a regular computer can just do.
By the end of my experiment it was abundantly clear that Apple had 0 interest in making iPadOS more useful for anything more than whatever its apps could do. Five years on and my opinion hasn’t changed. I still use an iPad (mini), but mostly because it was a gift which comes in handy for note taking.
I barely use my iPad these days. I'll pull it out every once in a while, like if I'm sick in bed and wanna watch youtube for a few hours without holding my phone, but otherwise, yeah, iPads are kinda useless. They even suck at filling out PDFs.
To be fair, an iPad can be used for way more than the average punter will do with theirs. I used to broadcast my radio show with mine, using a mini as a midi controller for my mic. It was pretty cool.
But yeah, for all the workarounds and hoop jumping I had to do, Mixxx could do it all on a regular computer, for free.
So these days mine is a social media / note taker / third screen for my Mac. Very much not worth the £600 Apple are rinsing for this thing. I can’t imagine how disappointing it must have been to shell out for an M1 Pro in the belief that Apple were about to beef up iPadOS. Then they…didn’t.
I can’t imagine how disappointing it must have been to shell out for an M1 Pro in the belief that Apple were about to beef up iPadOS. Then they…didn’t.
Yep. I paid ~$1200 for it and the Logitech keyboard case, right after it came out in 2021. First brand-new Apple device I bought for myself. And it is definitely the last.
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What they kind of eyes do you people have? I mean, my phone screen is smaller but I'm not doing stuff I would normally do on a desktop or full size laptop.
I had better than 20x20 vision when they gave us eye-tests in high school and I’ve often gotten, “Holy shit, you can read that from here?” I always chose screen space over font-size even on small laptops but I recently had to dial it back a notch for the first time. The optometrists come for us all, eventually.
My vision still seems fine but it takes longer to adjust and focus. Like I have a digital clock I used to glance at to check the time and now I have to squint for a few seconds and wait. It’s sort of like a phone camera auto-focus where it sorts things out but it used to be immediate.
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