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[–] JLock17@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago
[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Mao and his CCP thugs murdered over 70 million who disagreed with them and it continues to this very day. Fuck the fascists and communists.

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[–] merdaverse@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My mom was just telling me a while ago about how one of her uncles was tortured by the communists after they came to power. Small note: he was a member of the legionnaires, so I can relate to this meme.

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Sounds like a racist who was a part of a terrorist group.

Both can be pieces of shit.

[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 day ago

First they came for the grandfathers and I did not speak out, for my grandfather was a Nazi.

[–] belastend@slrpnk.net 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Didn't know the Cambodians, Polish, Kalmyks, Kazakhs, Tatars, Ukrainians, Anarchists, Left SRs, Trotskyists and Peasants were all Nazis. Must be fun to live in that world.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The Finns who died defending their homeland from naked, opportunistic Soviet imperialism also wish to say hi.

[–] Bloomcole@lemm.ee -5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

Have you ever – even once – thought that if:

  • The USSR hadn't started the Winter War under the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact it signed on friendly terms with Nazi Germany to grab more land while the rest of Europe wasn't in a position to help, killing and wounding tens of thousands of Finns
  • The USSR hadn't stolen 10% of Finland's land in exchange for what can generously be described as a "promise" of peace
  • The USSR hadn't scuttled Finland's attempts afterward to develop a defensive pact with Norway and Sweden
  • The USSR hadn't invaded and absorbed the Baltic states as part of the same pact with Nazi Germany
  • The USSR hadn't demanded mineral rights already given to the UK and then instigated riots in Finland when they didn't get what they wanted
  • The USSR hadn't interfered with the December 1940 Finnish election
  • The USSR had offered to return Finland's land when it realized "oh no, the consequences of my own actions: Finland is allied militarily with Nazi Germany now."
  • The USSR had been on friendly terms with Finland instead of giving them what every serious historian describes as no realistic opportunity not to ally with Germany

That maybe they wouldn't have been forced to ally with Germany in the Continuation War? That Finland might have remained neutral or even joined in with the Allies which the Soviets were a part of? You can even look in the article you're linking to:

As a part of the pact, Nazi SS chief Heinrich Himmler insisted that the Finns dispatch [1408] soldiers to the SS Wiking division similar to the volunteers it demanded from Nazi-occupied Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway and elsewhere.

Reluctantly, Finns complied and covertly recruited the first group of 400 SS volunteers to be sent for training.

The leading Finnish military historians who undertook the probe into the country's wartime role wrote that those Finnish troops likely witnessed shootings and other atrocities against Jews and other civilians by advancing Nazi troops.

This was all done reluctantly. The Finns had no ideological alignment with the Nazis; it was done purely out of necessity because of the USSR's – again – nakedly imperialist actions. You have zero intellectual integrity. None. Your rhetoric relies not on a convincing argument but on the reader's ignorance. And I'm not even a little surprised to see you sticking up for Putin's genocidal invasion of Ukraine elsewhere.


Edit: Also, where the hell did "only doing it to fight communism" come from? I said the exact opposite: that they were doing it in self-defense against Soviet imperialist aggression. What?

[–] Bloomcole@lemm.ee -2 points 2 hours ago

thanks I don't read revisionism and lies

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world -2 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

So you just stated that Russia was imperialistic. That in itself should give you more context about the kind of nation Russia was. Communism is a way of thought not anyone nation. Think more critically about what you say.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Post says: "communists killed". Not "communism killed". The USSR were communists. The Finns were innocent when the USSR invaded them. Communists killed tens of thousands of innocents in that invasion. The entire aim of this post is to disingenuously suggest that anytime someone brings up the innocent victims of the USSR, they're actually defending the Nazis killed in WWII.

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world -3 points 3 hours ago

That's not what you wrote though. You biased is showing.

[–] CMonster@discuss.online 0 points 2 hours ago

Is that why it's never worked?

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Two things are true at once:

  • They did crimes
  • They fought even bigger criminals

And two things are true at once:

  • Descendants of their innocent victims consider them monsters, and they are correct and valid.
  • Descendants of the even bigger criminals that got "neutralized" hide among the other category, and they are dishonest.
[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The only correct take in capitalism-communism discourse

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

No, this is the for the Communism-fascism discourse.

When it comes to Communism-capitalism, my take is that while we are able, correct and valid to pinpoint the crimes of (big-C) Communists, we are steeped in (small-c) capitalist ideology and are completely desensitized to the ongoing systemic crimes of our own system, which are in my opinion graver than anything the (big-C) Communists ever did.

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Fair point. I definitely feel like the shortcomings of capitalism will become more evident if/when we eventually switch to a different politico-economic model. For now, the propaganda is still prevalent.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Did Trotsky have grandchildren? Or did the Communists exterminate his entire family line?

[–] aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee 5 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes, plenty. of his great granddaughters is an official at the NIH https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nora_Volkow

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[–] daepicgamerbro69@lemmy.world 75 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (18 children)

Such a profoundly dense thing to post, it could have only been made up by an American. How can anyone have such compartmentilized view of history is truly beyond me, unless of course they are incredibly ignorant or some kind of Putin's lapdog, like Medvyedev, actively engaged in the denial of atrocites.

The grandfather:

Georgi Markov, Bulgarian screenwriter, poisoned by the secret police.

Jan Zahradníček, Czech poet and writer bound to a wheelchair. Absolutely of no threat to the regime. Tortured and killed.

The 22 000 Polish grandfathers and potentional grandfathers killed simply for the crime of not being born Russian:

Katyn massacre

Fuck fascists, fucking kill them. That includes the officials of whatever totalitarian communist regime you think is "a vibe"

[–] daepicgamerbro69@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (4 children)

never mind. latter is the case. This poster is a Putin fanboy and Uyghur genocide denier. All his posts read like the typical former /pol/ kid turned tankie.

no doubt i will also get banned for saying this, since they're also moderator here.

go ahead товарищ комиϟϟар, play out your little fash fantasy.

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[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

The Soviets near completely eradicated the Baltic intelligentsia by killings and exiles into Siberia. Claiming that all those people had it coming for them is certainly a wild take. Most were exiled for simply being slightly richer than their neighbours.

My wife's grandparents were exiled somewhere near Murmansk, but were returned quite early because grandfather was a millman and Lithuanian SSR was short on those.

Lithuanians in Siberia

Close to me there is a place where on one side of the road, Nazis murdered the Jews and on another side, communists murdered Lithuanian intellectuals. The Nazi side had ruthless efficiency. The Soviet side had inhuman brutality.

Rainiai massacre

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[–] hakase@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
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