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[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 12 points 6 hours ago

I fucking hate the 'quiet quitting' term. It puts the onus on the people who are tired of the inhumane hours and treatment, and the accompanying meager pay. Instead of putting it on the companies and government whose policies and ethics are fostering these awful conditions which engender these sorts of worker responses. It's not quiet quitting. It's holding boundaries between work and personal life. It's not allowing the company to steal your time away from you. It's preventing the company from overstepping their position in your life. It's so many things that are important and 'quiet quitting' does those people a disservice in favor of a catchy corporate approved soundbite. I find that disgusting.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 1 points 4 hours ago

"Quiet quitting" is not a trend. Like, at all. If you have a coworker that doesn't want to do their job, your employer has a shitty employee. That's it, an isolated incident. The term itself is basically the same as boomers screeching about how "nobody wants to work anymore"...

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

FYI the "Japanese crazy long hours and hard work ethic" BS only applies to corporate jobs.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-work-week-by-country

[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 14 hours ago

we should normalize to punch everyone in the gut who uses the words "quiet quitting".

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 9 points 15 hours ago

It was probably higher before, but it wasn't as acceptable to say it as it is today.

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 34 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (6 children)

Heh, I've seen this personally. I work for a Japanese company, and part of my job is coordinating tooling installations with the factory I'm stationed at (pick a chip fab in the US, I've probably been there). When we get a tool onsite, I get an install team directly from our factory in Japan who handles all the physical installation aspects. They work hard, efficiently, and with the utmost care for the finer details (some of these tools are expected to last 20+ years - we have a few that have been in production for nearly as long with very little fuss). Occasionally, they will finish their tasks early the last couple days and take off after lunch, letting me know of this beforehand and that their daily reports will be sent to me and other relevant managers at the "usual" time, with a wink and a nod.

I don't care how much time they clock, as long as shit gets done properly. Haven't had any issues.

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[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 29 points 20 hours ago

The Japanese work ethic doesn't even make sense and does more harm than good. If you don't have time for yourself or family the society will collapse (already happening). To be clear, I'm not talking about being diligent work, but working 8+ hours every single day.

Many Japanese don't leave work at 5pm even though those are the official business hours because it's rude to leave before the boss leaves. So people stay at work until 7 or 8pm. Many times having to also go drinking with co-workers or the boss. So, depending on the day, you may end up with 1-2 hours for yourself. No wonder they aren't having children, and depression rates are sky high.

Same applies to Korea.

[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 16 hours ago

Yeah because they started to get fucked over

[–] tamman2000@lemm.ee 49 points 23 hours ago

This is what happens in societies that have increasing income inequality.

Why should workers feel compelled to bust their asses when it benefits their bosses, but not themselves?

[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Thank goodness. Now when im napping during work I can feel less guilty thinking about Japan doing it too.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

When you're napping, know that someone in Japan is also asleep, but largely because of the time change.

[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 4 points 18 hours ago

Thanks friend. Lol

[–] Neuromorph@lemm.ee 5 points 21 hours ago

ow when im napping during work I can feel less guilty thinking about Japan doing it too.

if questioned, tell your Boss, you are practicing a japanese work ethic

[–] ddash@lemmy.dbzer0.com 174 points 1 day ago (16 children)

Fuck the term quiet quitting. Call it what it is, doing your job.

[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago

Employee burnout is a symptom of a toxic work culture, and "quiet quitting" is a corporate psyop invented to prevent you from noticing it.

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[–] Neuromorph@lemm.ee 10 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

so goes Japan, so goes the world!!! ive been quiet quitting since i entered the work force

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 6 points 15 hours ago

Hard work is rewarded with more work and the extra value is pocketed by a C-Suite.

[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 97 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Japan has strong worker protections. It is very difficult to fire an employee in Japan, without showing that the employee committed a crime. Employees can do practically nothing at work and still get paid. Call in sick as much as they want and the only penalty is not getting paid sick days once they run out of paid sick leave and vacation days. If an employer does mass layoffs, they have to show that the company is on the verge of bankruptcy and they have tried everything else, including reducing the pay of executives or removing executive positions before firing employees. Elon Musk is in hot water in Japan for mass firing Twitter employees in Japan. He violated Japanese labor laws.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's a different culture altogether, where a job is expected"for life", which also makes it difficult to quit a job. People are literally hiring other people to deliver their resignation notices because it's impossible to do in person.

[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 6 points 20 hours ago

No, not that I have seen. Job for life is some outdated Boomer generation shit. When people want to quit they just quit. But quitting on your own may mean no unemployment benefits. When an employer wants a worker to leave, for whatever reason, they come to ask the employee to resign and offer them some money for agreeing to quit. Usually about 3 months pay. The employee can also collect unemployment benefits for several months if the resignation is at the request of the employer. So if you want to quit, it's better to make your boss want you to leave, without committing any crimes. That way they ask you to resign. Much better than it was in the USA.

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 1 points 14 hours ago

People mostly, from what I understand, hire those companies to avoid harassment and trying to be bullied into continuing to work for shitty companies.

It's hard to get fired as a permanent employee, but not impossible. That said, the idea of "lifetime" employment is definitely not what it used to be.

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[–] xep@fedia.io 125 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The phrase "quiet quitting" really grinds my gears. Are you fulfilling the terms of your employment contract? Yes? Then you're working, and haven't quit.

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 208 points 1 day ago (21 children)

From what I’ve read, Japan’s work ethic has been more about presenteeism than productivity for a while. While long hours are the norm, it’s more important to be seen to be working than to be productive, so you don’t leave before the boss does, but you do spend a large amount of that time staring out the window or otherwise idling.

[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 2 points 15 hours ago

That’s what happens when presenteeism is rewarded over productivity.

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[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 78 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Yea, every article using the term quiet quitting is getting a down vote. Doing what you're paid for is simply doing your job. This is basically akin to getting mad you didn't get a tip. A TIP IS OPTIONAL.

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 127 points 1 day ago (3 children)

From the original reporting in the Japan Times:

Some 45% of full-time employees in Japan are “quiet quitters” — workers doing the bare minimum to meet their job requirements

Oh, no! People are doing their jobs! What a disaster!

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