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The West was moving to the right — and then Donald Trump got elected again

Something is happening among America's allies, and it's a tremendous relief. For some years now, we've seen the MAGA-infused global right gaining a foothold amongst western democracies, largely driven by the same demagogic, nationalist, pseudo-populism that has fueled Donald Trump's dominance on the American right.

Some countries like Hungary have served as a sort of experiment for the kind of post-democratic autocracies dreamt of by the modern right wing in which government co-opts, intimidates and de-legitimizes the political opposition to create an authoritarianism that dominates the culture and the politics without a lot of overt violence.

But the rise of the far right among the Western allies seems to be stalling out.

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[–] shirro@aussie.zone 24 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (7 children)

I think US commentators make far too much of Trump and US political influence on the world. It exists but we all have our own cultures, political systems etc out here and we proudly do our own thing. The arrogance of people on all sides of US politics who think an election result on the other side of a world is a reflection of their own domestic politics is incredible.

It would be convenient if the rest of the world could fix a broken US democracy but it is a fantasy. US citizens need to address their problems through struggle and resistance. Their current problems runs very deep in their society and isn't simply an international fashion trend.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 20 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I mean the world can fix a broken US democracy by boycotting the US entirely on all fronts until a democratic country emerges.

This will take a while though as we have seen with South Africa.

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 1 points 11 hours ago

Doubt it would play out that way in the US. They're much more likely to take military action when the world cuts them out since making weapons is what made them rich and you can't keep making weapons without using or selling them.

[–] monogram@feddit.nl 2 points 16 hours ago

I’m astounded that Theresa May wasn’t the calling that unrestricted liberal economics (aka trickle down) is a fairytale.

And that economic stability is held by the safety net the lower class makes use of and the middle class falls back to. (Social economics)

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

And yet I keep seeing Trump's name and picture next to German words I can't read here... curious.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 49 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I honestly don’t see a way out of this other than a war against the fascists. Something like the American civil war where the racists got their asses thoroughly beaten, or WWII, where the Nazis got absolutely crushed. I feel like it’s just one of those things that pops up once in a while. Basically, fascists are the herpes of society.

[–] DarkGamer@fedia.io 41 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

This American situation is partly the long tail of the failure of reconstruction; Confederates got their asses handed to them but they were never properly removed from power. Now the racists are once again in charge, their monuments still stand, their flag is still flown, and the southern strategy is central to their political power.

Compare this to Germany, who stripped Nazis from power, outlawed their symbols, and have guard rails to prevent fascist movements from rising again. (They are now being used against AfD.)

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 11 points 18 hours ago

Compare this to Germany, who stripped Nazis from power, outlawed their symbols, and have guard rails to prevent fascist movements from rising again. (They are now being used against AfD.)

Don't know where you're getting that from.

Most Nazis were never actually stripped from positions of power after the war (teachers, public services, our secret services, political parties, I could go on). Outlawing their symbols did fuck all obviously and isn't even enforced as long as you don't go around outright spraying swastikas on walls in broad daylight (or are an antifascist displaying one thrown into a bin, crossed out or otherwise clearly used with an opposing intention). The people in power are unwilling to use the guardrails and systems that we have to prevent Nazis from rising to power again. Meanwhile we have an extremism problem in our police force who won't protect anybody from the mob when the time comes, and a "conservative" party that's just always lagging 5 years behind the AfD in their policies, racing ever further to the right in their wind shadow.

We're fucked.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 16 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly this. The Confederates should never have been allowed to rejoin society.

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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As long as neoliberals are the only alternative, fascism will always come back.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 13 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

You mean modern liberals? Neoliberalism is about as far-right as fascism.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Please explain how neoliberalism is as far-right as fascism.

[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 7 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

No one is saying neoliberalism is as far right as fascism. However fascism has a cloak of populism that it can hide under that neoliberalism can never do because they are tied to corporate interests in varying degrees. As such, a lot of working class people gravitate towards fascists who pay lip service to working class struggles.

At the end of the day, both neoliberals and fascists benefit from an undereducated and overworked population. That is why we need true alternatives that support the working class

[–] logi@lemmy.world 16 points 17 hours ago

No one is saying neoliberalism is as far right as fascism.

GP comment said exactly that though. Although they did throw in an "about".

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

At the end of the day, both neoliberals and fascists benefit from an undereducated and overworked population. That is why we need true alternatives that support the working class

Pretty much what I was referring to. I think the difference is a matter of motivation. Fascists want power and complete control, neoliberals don't, but either one would applaude streets paved with dead bodies if it lowered costs by 10%.

[–] ButteryNickel@lemmy.wtf 60 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Better late than never I suppose. Congrats everyone else.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'll take it. Really. It sucks for us. But if this is what it takes to get everyone else to kick this bullshit ass ideology and actually get on with progress over stagnation let's fucking go.

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Agree. Let's take the hit and move towards getting off this fucking planet.

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[–] Binky@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 23 hours ago

One can hope, but each time I get optimistic, some crazy bullshit goes down.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not Trumpism, it's fascism.

[–] lupusblackfur@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

😂

Those things are, in fact, equivalent.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 11 points 23 hours ago

Squares are to rectangles as Trumpism is to fascism.

[–] Binky@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 20 hours ago

I sure hope this is right…

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Salon, huffpo, msnbc ffs. These are the hopium sites favored by the beaten left, because actual corporate journalism collapsed under it’s own ignorance and greed a long time ago.

The NYT will trot out a hopium piece every once in awhile like rainbow-flagging-the-logo for Pride month, but it’s all clickbait.

Who are you going to vote for in the midterms? The left needs to get its shit together. Propaganda, corruption, and blatant lies are kicking our ass.

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[–] lupusblackfur@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

But the rise of the far right among the Western allies seems to be stalling out.

Sorry, wut??

Can't imagine what in the screaming goat fuck would lead you to this conclusion other than pure blind idiocy...

🤷‍♂️ 🤡 🖕

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

You have to wonder what infects the minds of people such that they fall for this in other countries.

I have a good idea what does it here.

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

To put it simply, the prosperity of Europeans and their descendants was paid for through the bloodshed of colonial exploitation. This created an inherently inequal world order.

The world has become more equal post WW2 and the descendants of the greatest beneficiaries of that exploitation are now displeased that they don't hold the same advantages their ancestors did. That's why we have to go back. That's why we have to make _____ great again.

Most PoC can hear these dogwhistles (if you can even call them that) from a mile away.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Can we sequester him? In the dirt, please?

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