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Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!


What is a Tankie?


Alternatively, a detailed blog post about Tankies.

(caution of biased source)


Basic Rules:

Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules. — Basically, don't be a dick.

Hate-Speech — You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.

Apologia(Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.

Revisionism — No downplaying or denying atrocities past and present. Calling Tankies shills, foreign/federal agents, or bots also falls under this rule. Extremists exist. They are real. Do not call them shills or fake users as it handwaves their extremism.

Tankies can explain their views but may be criticised or attacked for them. Any slight infraction on the rules above will immediately earn a warning and possibly a ban.

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You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically only last 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction will double the amount. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.


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And for anyone asking "Why are we boycotting/blocking lemmy.ml?" Here's a quick recap:

Lemmy.ml is an instance run by admins who are hardcore tankies and will enforce their ideology on their instance through various means from allowing (and pushing it themselves) propaganda (Such as Russia being justified in some way to invade Ukraine) and known propaganda outlets (Like RT) to removing content on their instance critical of their favored authoritarian regimes such as Russia or China and even banning users for such speech or speech critical of them if it's off their instance (Just like the Reddit mods of ol!).

If it was just some random instance it would have been defederated from long ago like the rest of the "Tankie Triad" (Hexbear and Lemmygrad), but they've positioned lemmy.ml as the "flagship" instance and abused that position and influence to become large enough to keep other instances from defederating from them.

Which I believe is harmful to the Lemmy-verse's overall growth and outside reputation. I have seen it come up before on Reddit threads (and other testimonials from people who came back and tried it again) that "They tried Lemmy but it was a bunch of tankies and went back to Reddit"

I don't know about you, but I'd prefer Lemmy to not end up with the reputation for being "Tankie Central " or even worse "Voat 2.0".

So if you haven't joined the boycott yet, join today and help us foster a better healthier Lemmy-verse!

You can take a look around here on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works for documentation of it or checkout this list of curated documentation

On bans and censorships:

https://lemmy.world/post/28480760

https://lemmy.world/post/28481615

https://lemmy.world/post/28482147

https://lemmy.world/post/28480936

https://lemmy.world/post/28482273

https://lemmy.world/post/28481272

https://lemmy.world/post/28481064

https://lemmy.world/post/27674360

https://lemmy.world/post/27674117

https://lemmy.world/post/27673934

https://lemmy.world/post/27673724

https://lemmy.world/post/27577337

https://lemmy.world/post/27378634

https://lemmy.world/post/27346630

https://lemmy.world/post/27341283

https://lemmy.world/post/27288224

https://lemmy.world/post/27156418

https://lemmy.world/post/27054157

https://lemmy.world/post/27008261

Allowing altered headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:

https://lemmy.world/post/28275465

https://lemmy.world/post/27428838

https://lemmy.world/post/27416097

https://lemmy.world/post/27314050

https://lemmy.world/post/27288953

Spreading Russia talking points like the Ukraine invasion just being a "negotiating tactic" !https://lemmy.world/post/27012640

General negative sentiment to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet: https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

Open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines (head admin)) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

"concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren't that bad" https://lemmy.world/post/26985447

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I joined Lemmy in November. By New Years I had independently figured out what was wrong with .ml and its users.

The less of that garbage, the better.

[–] jnod4@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

What app so you use to browse lemmy and how do I block .ml?

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I was against blocking them because i dont want to create an echochamber(and i still support this on an instance level) but after they banned me and just keep downvote bombing anyone whos not a fucking poo tin or whinnie boot licker i had to block them.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I always go in and argue with those Tankie fucks when I have time, but I haven't even seen them in the feeds lately.

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[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 51 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

I got banned to 40 days from .ml memes for arguing that the republicans were worse than the democrats or something mild like that.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 60 points 4 days ago (3 children)

"Arguing against the far right party? That's a no-no for our leftist instance!"

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Remember, a true socialist will criticize Democrats and say nothing about Republicans (except agree with them about gifting Ukraine to Russia)

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[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago

TheY'rE bOTh tHE SamE

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[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

They sure screech about democrats and then it’s just silence for republicans.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

I don't know how anyone can honestly believe that trump and Biden are even comparable, let alone equally bad.

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[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I just block every site and user with that ending that I see. I've been banned on almost any of their sites anyway.

[–] CCAirWater@lemm.ee 18 points 3 days ago (9 children)

"Known propaganda outlets (like RT)"

Sorry but... What's RT mean in this context? Rooster Teeth? I've got no clue.

[–] silasmariner@programming.dev 9 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Just absolutely love your guess though

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[–] Jmdatcs@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I actually like seeing their posts on my main account. It allows me to keep up with their lingua franca, so I can more easily identify their alts on normal instances, so I know not to attempt to engage in good faith.

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[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 39 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think the whole "saying anything different from what we like? You're banned" thing is also playing a good part.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 44 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think they really have no idea how unpopular their viewpoint is. If you ever go and look around at "Lemmy" based on how it looks when hosted on .ml or Hexbear, it looks pretty dramatically different. I think part of the reason the mods are so aggressive with this kind of censorship is that it creates a really surprisingly effective illusion that a lot of the world agrees with them. You can find off-instance communities where people post a counter-narrative if you search, but that's easy to write off as "the lib instances" or something. I think they have no idea how far in the minority they are.

The name for the cognitive bias involved is "what you see is all there is." Your brain doesn't take account of content which is hidden from you, so if 90% of what you see is pro-Russia, and everyone there is of the opinion that anything outside of that is weird Western propaganda and distorted and fake, it's pretty easy for your brain to run with it. And once you're in that box you have no idea that you're in the box. And also, a lot of propaganda frameworks like that are self-sustaining (describing any contrary information as deliberate lies or giving this huge emotional emphasis to reasons for discounting them, so it's really hard to bootstrap yourself out of the box.)

I'm not trying to make excuses for the people who are running the operation, I have to assume that they know better. Although, maybe not. Maybe they have some other kind of dysfunction and really think they are standing up against US imperialism or something. I do also think that professional troll farms are also involved in creating the impression, too. My point is, I think the average users may be genuinely confused by these events and see them very differently from the rest of Lemmy does.

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 31 points 4 days ago (2 children)

"What do you mean people don't like us supporting imperialism? We made up our own definition of imperialism that excludes imperialist countries we like."

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[–] ritsku@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I'm kinda still new here, so thanks for the info! I think I've figured out how to block the instance, but is there a guide on blocking or something or a way to check?

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago

You cannot block an entire instance in Lemmy today. The best you can do is block seeing posts from that instance in your timeline. The users are still free to send you death threats. The Lemmy devs have promised this feature later in the year, but given how it will likely be used against their .ml instance most liberally, and they will have fewer victims to attack, I am dubious it ever gets released.

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