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[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 41 points 22 hours ago

The Heritage Foundation is located at:

214 Massachusetts Avenue NE, Washington, D.C., U.S.

[–] dbtng@eviltoast.org 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Um ... This doxing threat seems like a really dumb move, on par with daring Anonymous to take you down. Really, if you want to play Internet hardball, there are folks that would love to show you how it works. (Not me!)

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 day ago (3 children)

What does the heritage foundation have against Wikipedia?

[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 10 points 14 hours ago

It prints the truth more often than not.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 74 points 1 day ago (5 children)
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 18 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

The best counter to bias is in an openly edited project is contributing corrected information with high quality sources. So instead of spending their time doxxing wikipedia editors, how about actually contributing quality data?

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 16 hours ago

What high quality data? They have nothing, that's why they are doing this bullshit.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 15 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Are you really saying that conservative groups should start publishing facts?

I'm guessing you don't quite understand how these people work. Most of their policies are crap and most people are still smart enough to understand so they lie. They lie a lot. They lie about just about everything.

See Fox News, for example. Whenever fox News tells a truth, an angel gets its wings and let's just say that angels learned to dig like worms instead.

See influencers like Ben Shapiro whom I just saw fantasising about his sister btw

See president cheeto, who would excuse himself if he ever said a truth

Truth and facts are poison to these people

Are you really saying that conservative groups should start publishing facts?

Yes.

I also understand how they work. That doesn't change the fact that they should change to start publishing facts.

Some of their policies are acceptable (on paper). I'm generally a fan of lower taxes (ironically, the progressive income tax was created under Republicans Roosevelt and Taft), smaller scope of federal government, and reducing barriers to economic development. And that used to be what conservatives in the US stood for, at least on paper. These days they're merely obstructionist and don't seem to actually have a plan themselves, adding as much or more to the national deficit compared to Democrats.

I'm long past believing anyone with power will actually act on their ideological convictions. Democrats are supposed to be the pro-worker party, yet Biden gave railroad workers a pretty crappy deal. Republicans are supposed to be "fiscally conservative," yet spending rose dramatically during Trump's first term and is rising this year too (despite claiming to make fiscal cuts), and here's the official Treasury page stating we've already spent 3.5T this year (fiscal year starts in October, so only half that time was under Trump).

[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

See influencers like Ben Shapiro whom I just saw fantasising about his sister btw

Yeah, that was fake.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 13 hours ago

Yeah, I just saw that too. Hard to see these days with the idiocies that people like him post

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 57 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Anyone got a list of the heritage foundation leaders and big players?

It's only fair

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 22 hours ago

Does Heritage dox its own people too?

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No matter what you think of Wikipedia, if the heritage foundation have actually threatened to dox editors then that’s despicable.

[–] wuzzlewoggle@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago (5 children)

"No matter what you think of Wikipedia" sounds like Wikipedia is extremely controversial. I've never met a person who has anything against Wikipedia. How insane and out of touch with reality do you have to be to have something against Wikipedia?

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The only people I've seen that dislike it are people who want to hide things (like Holocaust deniers) or people that have some weird beef with people that run it or edit it.

[–] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 hours ago

I've also seen people who dislike it, but only when it doesn't agree with them.

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[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 88 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (13 children)

I'll note too that even absent Heritage Foundation threats, this can be useful to spur development of the project (i.e. for people who don't want a permanent account but don't feel comfortable having their IP permanently, publicly attached to edits). Probably the reason it hasn't been done in the past is it's almost certainly going to make it easier for bad actors to fly under the radar. Before, you either had to show your IP address (which can reveal your location and will usually uniquely identify who edited something for at least a little bit; you also can't use a VPN without special permission) or you had to register a single account (where if you created multiple, a sockpuppet investigation would often find out).

So there's an inherent trade-off, but I think right-wing threats of stochastic terrorism really tipped the scales.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 hours ago

TL;DR: Wikipedia has been doxing its own editors since inception.

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[–] Bonus@lemm.ee 24 points 1 day ago (14 children)

How is that defensible? Are there no laws to tamp down online terrorism from bad actors like Heritage? I'd imagine they're 100% in the wrong for making threats of any kind but I'm just a wee layman.

[–] RushLana@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The issue with "Wait that's illegal" is that it never work in practice.

If the heritage foundation decide to dox an editor tomorrow. The editor in question would have to file a lawsuit and go against an army of layers the heritage foundation can afford. Even if the editor win at the end, it will be a long and drawn out legal battle where heritage risk almost nothing.

And this is not accounting for the editor having to deal with harassment due to being dox while having to pay for a layer and fighting a legal battle.

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[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 50 points 1 day ago (7 children)

The Heritage Foundation has threatened to doxx the editors of wikipedia because the greatest threat to authoritarians is information

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[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Wikipedia attempts to shield editors from being Doxxed and harassed by right wing nuts and their followers over writing accurate information.

Right wing nuts take offense at not being able to shape the narrative/history.

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[–] MajesticElevator@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’ll never contribute to Wikipedia because they block VPNs

They should really unblock them. I know it’s not always easy to combat these problems, but a dedicated individual can break articles using non-VPN IPs like mobile data IPs

[–] MajesticElevator@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They not only enforce IP bans on account creation but on every single edit you make, even if logged in…

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[–] Owlboi@lemm.ee 22 points 1 day ago (7 children)
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