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But people are stupid and they DID vote wrong. They had a choice and they chose wrong.
Is a difficult subject because on a personal level I've lost dear friends to insane propaganda, and I still haven't forgiven myself for not being able to save them from it - and I'll probably never forgive them for it either. They were supposed to be smart.
People think I'm smart but I fall for stuff too. In media, the existing weapons can be stronger than the defenses, and sometimes that's all there is to it. Modern media makes the greatest aspirations of MK Ultra look like child's play.
I'm still not convinced memes aren't a great filter, unless great filter theory is just another shitty meme.
To sum up, people did vote objectively incorrectly. The Democratic party however is not guilt free. The whole system is built on violence, and that grim old tree won't bear fruit unless you water it.
Yes, let's get preemptively angry at those not currently in power for something we assume they'll do!
It's truly the "progressive" way. That and never actually voting in a primary.
Yes, we're losing and the world is descending into fascist ruin.
But at least I get to feel smugly superior!
This is not that different from the monsters on the other side who are destroying their economy and the standing of the country.
But at least they get to feel racist and abusive to brown people!
it will be interesting to see who their media will be blaming since the anti-genocide and LGBTQ+ people will be either in prison or deported or stripped from their rights to vote.
harm reduction is a thing that you can support.
Tim Waltz is your best bet here. White man, can peel off MAGA for change but still stay "pure". We have to get past the deep south rooted haters that hate POC, women and anything not white/Christian.
Obama was the Trump of the Dem party. Now you gotta play balance, sadly.
If Josh Shapiro wins the nomination I will not vote for him, I cannot stand this nonsense, this is absolute insanity. How the hell are modern Democrats less progressive than FDR (and he was a massive racist), we are a century ahead yet we are centuries behind. Now we're fighting over which fascist is more palatable so when can whitewash them and call them progressive. I voted for Kamala in 2024 but NOT AGAIN, I will NOT vote for another mild flavor of fascism lite.
Isn't there enough bad things happening right now to complain about? This is a totally imaginary scenario that is years away and you're all ruining your day a little bit more by engaging with it.
WHY?
It is totally wasted energy. Total waste of time. Counter productive to your political goals. Encouraging a culture of fixating on problems you have no idea how to solve. Bonding over helplessness and apathy.
You know a lot of canvasers are thinking about ditching the dems and going independant? You could encourage them, you could become one of them, you could help give them arguments and counter narratives, make memes, shitpost for a good cause, post in mixed comment sections where half the people hate you and fish for an even mix of upvotes to downvotes - that's how you know you're reaching people! Take a little pleasure in becoming unbotherable.
Also, counter narratives are great because you don't have to substantiate anything. ' ICE is deporting random innocent people to fill quotas ' - your move, rightoids, I spent five seconds writing that and one braincell. Zero effort and they might end up spending 100x the effort countering it. God knows I've been on the other side of that. It's a brilliant rhetorical tactic.
You don't even have to keep arguing, you can just post 'sounds dumb' or 'bad argument' or nothing at all and just leave!
Bots wouldn't exist if posting comments on the internet didn't do anything. And even doing nothing is better than perpetuating misery-posting culture in the online left.
Tony Benn said that the job of the left is to 1) anger people and 2) inspire hope. We need to get a lot better at the second one.
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Just to clarify, I also hate the Dems lmao
Dems are 0 and 2 when squaring off a Woman against a right wing ultranationalist.
so long as there are people like Trump on the other side, I dont think the Dems will ever run a woman again.
If we want to make it more likely for a progressive to win the nomination, taking grassroots action now can make a big difference.
Are you looking to get involved to make a difference in the two party system? Get more progressives in office? Enable progressives to be the future face of the Democrat Party in your state? Then the biggest thing I can recommend would be joining an organization such as the Equal Vote Coalition. Their goal is to get better voting systems in place across the country, moving away from First Past the Post which has locked us into our two party system. Alaska and Maine have already succeeded in moving away from First Past the Post voting.
If we take action now, we can potentially get the voting system changed locally or on the state level for many of us before the midterm elections. Then as we continue to make progress, by the time 2028 rolls around we could safely pick our preferred candidates first and have safe backup candidate options so our preferred candidate(s) have a much greater chance at winning.
Help start a ballot initiative in your state here.
Not a chance in Hell Gavin gets it
This whole discussion has been a fascinating read in the comments.
But does anyone really think we're going to have another election? Much less a non-rigged election?
The system was already rigged, of course. Electoral college, absentee cancelations, felons disqualified. It was broken before so even if things stayed the same (which they won't) it'll still be broken.
I do expect elections to continue. Just much less honestly.
And what you said doesn't even include the voter roll purges which as a citizen and voter of an actually democratic country is mind boggling that it's a thing.
I don't find very much interesting about this conversation anymore. If it can even be called that. American politics is like scripted television drama. It's quite fitting. Except it's so predictable. It's the same script on loop.
Yes, well have a next election. Not because our democracy is that strong, but because trump and Co are that weak
They will try to rig our next election, no doubt. I'm just confident theyll lose so bad there's no rigging it
Whoever it is, they need to be charismatic and young (for a politician). AOC would work in that sense.
I actually think Kamala worked too. Her non-election was due to other reasons, mostly Biden's mistakes and that fucking assassination attempt. That shooter fucked up in so many levels, I hope he's being tortured somewhere.
Did you listen to the latest tiff between David Hogg and James Carville?
Carville really wants to push progressives out of the Democratic party while keeping their heads in the sand. I think his last rant was because Hogg wants to replace existing Dems (Carville says he should be replacing Republicans). However, I think Hogg wants to do this because these Dems aren't really doing anything and waiting to pick up the pieces from this Trump administration. I think agree more with Hogg that it's more important to show the people that you represent them rather than be like: "we're not the Republicans".
I'm not an entire fan of Hogg though, he seems a bit inconsistent but I agree with him here.
To be clear, people should have voted for the Democrats. We're all in the position we're in because not enough people did. Would you get what you want? No. But we still wouldn't be in the mess otherwise. I mean, assuming the election wasn't stolen.
That being said, all these older people that don't seem interested in fighting for their people need to be purged from the Democrats. I don't know if it's because they're really old or out of touch or what. There's a thirst for people to want representation for them to fight (as seen by the AOC and Bernie rallies). I think their inactivity isn't helping for the most part. Also, they need to get some more names out there.
Yeah, I've been low-key following this drama and Hogg is out there spearheading the "tea party style takeover" that people have been saying the DNC needs. Carville, Schumer, and Co. seem to think that letting the republicans off the leash to blow up everything and hurt everyone is the best path forward. Put another way, the plan is to continue offering shitty corpocentrism and hope that voters prefer corpocentrism (clothed fascism) over naked fascism again in two and four years. Fuck that and fuck them, Hogg can take my energy and blast those fossilized assholes with a spirit bomb.
Hogg wants to replace old, "do nothing" incumbents with younger versions of Pelosi, Clinton, Jeffries.
Hogg wants young, centrist, corporatist Democrats, not progressives.
Because DNC are controlled opposition.
"They" being tens of millions of voters in the primaries. You could be one of them, maybe?
Its never about what the majority wants. Its what minority wants. They are fat satisfied one percenters and the only thing they hate worse than a maga is letting the little people have a choice.