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[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As much as I resent religion, I do believe it's fundamentally a human problem. People everywhere have a tendency to corrupt beliefs in order to justify being assholes to one another.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Religon was created as a control mechanism for governments that didn't have the capability to enforce laws.

It's a method to make communities self police.

Today it is a dangerous tool left lying around for any con man to pick up and weild

That's why fascist movements always have a religious/nationalist base.

[–] doomcanoe@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

100%

That being said, dogmatic belief systems, which tend to be common in religion, seem to act as force multipliers in this regard.

[–] DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz 7 points 1 day ago

Yeah especially if such dogmatic beliefs make people think dumb or unethical stuff is somehow okay.

[–] lefixxx@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ITT people missing the point and projecting their own beliefs and values.

This is how people "strawman". It's easy to hate on atheists if you just see them all as their asshole members. The truth is that any group has their violent nutjobs and vocal minorities. You can't just say all Muslims are terrorists just the same as you can't say feminists are hateful crazies.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Nah organized religon is actually evil

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 day ago

The Christian one should be a missionary actually helping people. Christian faith that only exists in church is a false faith

[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 109 points 2 days ago (17 children)

The best example of an asshole atheist they could find was one making a shitty anti-theist meme, meanwhile the examples of asshole Christians and Muslims are violent

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago (8 children)

CCP and USSR stamped out religious practice, but go off.

As an Atheist myself, don't delude yourself into thinking religion is unique in its capacity for horrors. Humans have that capacity, any group we make would also have that capacity.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Clearly they didn't dona good enough job seeing how religion was never stamped out you wana be victum

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

well you can find them on social media hating on women instead. a lot of early atheist youtubers went on to become gamergaters.

or look at a popular one like Dawkins who is busy being a transphobe nowadays. imagine being an atheist and wasting the remainder of your precious and only life trying to make the precious and only life of the most marginalized people in society even worse.

or sam harris who literally defended torture.

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[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Is that Elon

[–] cholesterol@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And 'assholes' just appear at random? Nothing in these groups increases or decreases the asshole frequency? Imagine if we thought of all culture that way. Forget about progressive politics changing people's minds and thereby their behavior. "Some people are just 'assholes', what are you gonna do?"

[–] lefixxx@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Assuming the probability of assholiness based on culture is how you treat cultures unequally. You fight assholiness in the individual level. You can't change a culture like that. You can only educate people and they will change their own culture.

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Not all beliefs are equal. If you hold by a holy text that says that women can (and should) be bought and sold or are otherwise 'lesser' than men, or you revere an imbecilic demagogue who claims that all immigrants are rapists, murderers and gang members, then yes, the "culture" of your group will have a higher probability of any given person being an asshole than a group of randomly-selected Humanists, for example. To equivocate that all belief systems are equal from a moral perspective is deeply naive.

ETA: I am not a humanist, because I believe that there is a point at which violence is necessary and justified to protect other lives and the rights thereof.

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[–] glorkon@lemmy.world 85 points 2 days ago (8 children)

No atheist hates god. How can you hate something you don't think exists?

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Since we are already being unhelpful: Atheist don't all are unsure about if God exists. Some may believe God does not exist, some don't care. Some believers might be unsure or don't care either.

[–] Chocobofangirl@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

being unsure or uncaring is supposed to be agnosticism, though. atheism is an outright rejection of the possibility. (this is NOT a commentary on if one is more correct than the other.)

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

I guess you can hate god as a concept. God can be proven to exists in human minds (no esoteric stuff, just psychology and sociology). You can hate this scientific fact and what it means for humankind.

[–] kshade@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

People hate on fictional characters all the time though.

[–] laserm@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

There is a difference between god as a character and God as a concept; the former one is (in my belief) nonexistent, the latter exists as long as his worshipper worship him.

[–] HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 33 points 2 days ago (5 children)

The correct word would be "antitheist"

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[–] Sibshops@lemm.ee 116 points 2 days ago (21 children)

The bottom-left one for Feminists doesn’t fit. The others are things that were created by their own group, for example, the KKK was created by Christians. That Feminist meme, on the other hand, wasn’t created by feminists but by someone else to mock them.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 129 points 2 days ago (5 children)

And the "keep calm and hate god" was clearly created by a theist, not an atheist

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Should've been a picture of Stalin. And the feminist one should've been a picture of J. K. Rowling

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[–] Sibshops@lemm.ee 66 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Good point. Why would an atheist hate something which doesn't exist. The whole meme is bad.

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