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Not American but from EU, have a 3 day survival box with water and food.
There is a real chance Russia at some point attacks, I don't think they will drop a nuke any time. But they might try to sabotage the electricity network or financial system. So if a large (cyber) attack happens my family has enough for 3 days, a week if we have to.
My wife and I decided that if it gets that bad..
We won't
There is no upcoming apocalypse. That's just doomscrolling too much of Lemmy.
BUT it's always good to have a good supply of everything for natural disasters, pandemics, etc.
I am totally stocked and I wouldn't have to rely on any services for over a year. When the pandemic happenend, I didn't even flinch. I just went thru my stuff, and restocked when things got better.
My land is paid for. I can garden. I have chickens. I have solar power. I am good with my hands. And plenty of timber for heating. Snows and rains a lot here.
There will be no apocalypse just because you don't like the president. People said the same shit the first time he was prez. But being prepared for anything is awesome. :)
Why would you wish to survive an apocalypse?
To rule as road King amongst my band of misfits.
See, this is the problem, no one wants to create a commune to fight the would be Road Kings
I've achieved full nihilism. Nothing makes a man more capable of vicious self defense.
The o'l "can't threaten a man with nothing to lose" gambit.
Edgy.
I'm betting on Oregon not completely shitting the bed
Not preparing at all, just living my life like normal. When things get really bad here I'll sell my car and move to Europe with my girlfriend (I have dual citizenship and can sponsor her).
How many planes will fly to Europe when things get really bad, to bring home everybody with dual citizenship and their loved ones?
People should leave through Mexico or Canada depending on which is closest and fly to Europe from there. Not just in an emergency or if you’re afraid of getting your passport taken. I don’t trust American airspace at all anymore just because of how many air traffic controllers have been fired.
Probably a lot more than you'd think. Especially if you take indirect flights. Especially given the large borders, getting put won't be especially hard
Good question, but we pay close attention to the news and hopefully we'll get out before that's a problem. If we're unable to leave the country then I guess I'd contact the Swedish embassy to see if they can help.
I got out permanently. You should too if you have the chance. Other countries don’t wrench your guts every time you see the news.
All of you idiots who haven’t started their EU paperwork. Start it tomorrow, or don’t at all.
All of you idiots who haven’t started their EU paperwork
I don't think it's right to say that staying and fighting back is idiotic. Protecting what's yours is a core to American ideology
Most people can't afford to. Myself included.
I don't have much to add except this highly relevant post made by Dee Xtrovert in 2009 on MetaFilter about their experience in the siege of Sarajevo:
Well, unlike the majority of you (I assume), I actually lived several years in a period of savagery and killing, during which nothing - food, water, electricity, phone, clothing, sense of safety, school, the ability to go out in public, etc - was available, except during totally unpredictable, brief and sporadic occasions.
Of those who couldn't leave my city, Sarajevo:
Some people (very few) were prepared for what they thought would be the "long haul" - this tended to be a couple of months. These people were widely seen as lunatics and dangerously pessimistic ones at that.
Most people were not at all prepared. This included my family. Many of those - like my family - considered the idea of "preparation" to be an affront to the decency we felt most people possessed. Were we wrong? Well, I don't know. We suffered greatly; my parents were killed. But speaking only for myself, I never felt I cheapened my soul by betting on calamity. Today, that still feels like it's worth something.
But here's the main point: "Preparing" for the disaster really didn't do anyone much good. Those who "prepared" ate a little better for a while. They stayed warmer for a few extra days. They enjoyed the radio for a while longer (via batteries.) But in the end, they ended up hungry, cold and bored too, just like the rest of us. Guns and weapons helped no one directly and were even of little to no use in the defense of Sarajevo, since they were toys compared to the shells, bombs and high-powered armaments of the attacking forces. The worst parts of war were psychological - the fear, anxiety, boredom, loneliness, paranoia, bad dreams. Respite from those things came with sharing food with a neighbor, finding a piece of clothing that would fit someone you knew, commiserating with others in your position, figuring out how to make make-up from brick or french fries from wheat paste and spreading this newly-acquired war knowledge around the mahala.
We knew who had extra food and supplies. For the most part, they weren't attacked or hassled or bothered. Contrary to what these survivalists say, those in dire times generally hold on to their personal sense of pride even more than they do in normal times. I'd take a bite of a friend's salad without bothering to ask in normal times. I'd never have done that in wartime, no matter how hungry I was.
Within the domain of those trapped in the city, civility greatly increased.
You often hear how Holocaust survivors felt guilt at surviving. Well, during war, that was a feeling everyone was aware of - people started dying right away (my parents were killed near the start of the siege, for instance) - and there was a palpable enough common sense of karma to make everyone into good Samaritans. None of us understood why we survived while others didn't. I shared food when I had it, even though I often knew I wouldn't have a crumb the next day. Which was no big achievement, because nearly everyone did the same.
Those who'd prepared, well, the majority of them shared their food and whatever else they had as soon as someone else was clearly in need. I can't swear it, but I think they felt a little foolish to have been so self-obsessed, and giving away that stuff might have lessened that feeling. There were a few people who hoarded things until they ran out of stuff - eventually everybody ran out of anything worth hoarding - and they soon became wishful beggars like the rest of us. Again, I can't swear it, but I hear stories, and it seems that these people suffer from post-war trauma, guilt and nightmares more than the rest of us.
Those survivalists, I feel sorry for them. It's no way to live.
Added emphasis is mine. I've had this bookmarked for about a decade or more now.
In short, stop stocking up, start building community. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That was a good read, thank you. :)
This right here. It is almost impossible for the average citizen to prepare in the sense of stocking up on supplies in a way that will last longer than a few weeks, months at best.
Without community… you are fucked. You may well be fucked even with community.
Meh, agreed and disagreed. A few 50lb. bags of corn and rice go a long way. A 5lb. bag of potatoes can go forever. Well, corn too I guess.
But the main catch is that you have to have land to grow it on. My wife and I are tiny and our yard is pretty big, but I doubt we could feed ourselves off it. We're fortunate to have a couple of acres of part swamp, put "uplands" in Florida. It would be a daily chore to boil and process water though.
Here's something survivalists haven't clued in on. They figure .22 rifle and 20-gauge shotgun can get all the small game they like. Add in an AR-15, or better yet, a real hunting rifle, and game like deer seems abundant.
I spend more time in the wilds than any 20 random lemmings put together. There ain't that much game to be had folks, and what little there is would be 100% wiped within a week of locals facing food shortages, let alone starvation. Yes, even the coyotes would be food, not a single water moccasin would survive. We'd be straining the swamp water for minnows.
Since I was born we've lost 74% of the animals on this planet. I've seen it, lived it. The best prepared are going vegan in a fucking hurry.
and game like deer seems abundant.
it even may be, when game isn't the primary source of protein - but once it becomes so, the fields will be empty.
This is absolutely so true. All of the "hunting" survivalists don't realize that you would essentially have 1000 people hunting every 1 deer if you live in the suburbs and not that much better rurally. This isn't 1800 anymore.
The best thing you can do is have enough land to farm, learn how to farm, and stock the hell up on base ingredients (wheat, rice, dry beans, lentils) and stock up on as many seeds as you know how to grow. Even then; one bad harvest and you starve.
But seriously, I can't stress dry beans and lentils enough. They last forever, they can be sprouted and replanted, and they have many many times more protein than corn or rice which is very important when you go vegan.
Also getting ducks will give eggs for additional protein and B12 vitamins that you would miss out on otherwise.
have 1000 people hunting every 1 deer
and they will hunt 1000 people, until one survives.
With individuality and no joined identity, humans will turn on humans, especially after having seen the walking dead. The idea is planted into the minds.
Fun fact: The mass of all humans on Earth is about 10 times greater than the mass of all wild mammals.
9mm
Crying?
Gonna lay down and die.
Brother I've been doing it for years. It takes forever.
Eating cheetos playing video games and masturbating
I have a sneaking suspicion you are leaving out the consumption of copious amounts of tetrahydrocannabinol
I am screaming into a pillow at the image of Americans prepping for the apocalypse while doing zero things to avoid it.
Look, I've said this a bunch of times around here this week and it seems like I'm trolling, but I'm not. I've been spooked for years at finding out that my US friends were absolutely unwilling to engage in any political action but were also consistently sure that a violent revolution or uprising was both inevitable and imminent. The idea that this is a widespread societal thing and that not only has it not been altered by another wave of trumpism but has in fact been reinforced is absolutely wild.
I don't know who convinced Americans that they are simultaneously the sole main characters of life but also absolutely absent of any agency or responsibility over what happens, but holy crap, they did an amazing job.
I am screaming into a pillow at the image of Americans prepping for the apocalypse while doing zero things to avoid it.
amen
The Conservative Propaganda Machine.
Extremely well put. The individualism really is weird and terrible. The main character syndrome is part of what takes away the agency, I think... Like, we need to hear The Call To Adventure. We need The Plot to show up at our fucking house. We need to be The Person that Does The Thing in the Room Where It Happens. The Founding Father. It's all or nothing. Either the thing we personally do somehow fixes the country, or we don't do it at all.
Maybe we imagine that we can be the hero and shoot the bad guy and save the day. But we can't imagine, like, Fixing Things. Deciding what the future holds. What would that even look like? Boldly waving a parchment in the air? When would everybody cheer for me in particular?
No, it doesn't look like an individual. It looks like a crowd. It looks like people, outside, angry. I hope enough people see that in time.
Cheers to Good Trouble.
As an American, I'm glad others have noticed this, too. We could be building community and supporting one another, but it's not even on anyone's roadmap. Our hyper-individualistic society has turned into pure toxicity and inability to organize in any meaningful or helpful way. It's pretty maddening that I know a bunch of people that want to buy guns, but almost nobody that wants to start a community garden.
Also see my comment here for more context.
Yeah, I grew up in an area of survival agriculture, removed from actual famine by say twenty, thirty years, depending on how you count it ending. Living memory in any case. To this day people here will pester you to take food when they have a fruit tree yielding, or when they are picking potatoes. People get together to go pick grapes across all of their small properties and then roughly split the yield based on plot size, even if the yields were somewhat uneven. Friends would show up with fish when they went fishing and you'd do the same.
You want to prep for the apocalypse, start giving away food and insisting that neighbors come over to visit, then force feed them aggressively, even under protest. Then do that to such an extent it becomes deeply culturally ingrained.
Will you have a culture where your adult children can't bear to throw anything away and will perpetually eat leftovers but never stop overcooking? Yes, you will. But you will have learned to survive scarcity.
But in the meantime, holy shit, get out of the house and start protesting. Have you seen what your government is doing? At least have the decency to lose whatever conflict leads into the apocalyse instead of just sitting there complaining about it on social media.
Welder/machinist > mechanic
I shall remember your valiant efforts to survive the purge and curse your kind for losing every last 10mm socket.
I'm stockpiling 10mm sockets. I shall rule in the wastelands.
Getting a second job... Gonna try to save up as much as I can for a while
I made several large purchases right after the election knowing that tariffs were on the way (new brakes for my car, new PC, new AC units for 2 rooms in the house). I stocked up on pandemic supplies (masks, toilet paper, cleaning products). I stocked up on bread and AP flour (I'm always baking something anyway, so this isn't anything out of the ordinary) and froze it. Stocked up on shelf-stable foods for me and my partner, and cat food/litter for our cats (many pet food items are imported to the US). We have a generator and water treatment kits that we can use with the running water on our property. I did all of this slowly, from November up until now. I am not one of those crazy selfish people that goes into COSTCO and buys the entire shelf of toilet paper for myself.
I've had a "go bag" for at least 10 years, so that's always been ready. My partner and I have written up several "what if" scenarios and how we would respond to them (flee the state, or flee the country, what are we bringing with us, etc). We both have current passports. I'm taking a firearms course next month so that I can legally own a gun.
Some people might think all of this is overkill or that we're being paranoid, but we really don't give a shit. If it comes down to it, we can literally walk away from this house or lock it down and defend it depending on the situation, and if that makes me sleep better at night, I don't care what anyone thinks.
