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[–] DegenerationIP@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They researching for quite a while now. I really hope this will get to the market. Another bonus is, that it theoretically doesn't need to be rushed.

But the antivaccines movement will totally Lose it.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

don't call them anti vaccine. that sounds kinda negative. let's not be unfair.

call them pro-pestilence.

[–] WiseScorpio@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hah; I can hear RFK jr already.

[Gravely voice] "Look if you want to put that unproven poison in your body I would not recommend doing when alternatives exist, like oranges, and Vitamin D, and death."

I’d be surprised if RFK used the Oxford Comma.

[–] Brotha_Jaufrey@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I know my state would find a way to ban this shit. They hate anything that prevents needless suffering.

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

The EU will welcome your scientists and Pharma companies with open arms.

[–] choco_crispies@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago
[–] haroldfinch@feddit.nl 32 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Also, fuck cancer. (Cancer vaccines may be next, the end of the article.)

[–] Halosheep@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I see this often, but cancer isn't caused by a viral infection. Are there vaccines that exist to prevent non-viral related diseases?

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Some of them can be. HPV is the typical cause of cervical cancer, which is the one I can think of off the top of my head.

[–] bananabenana@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not true at all. Viruses do induce cancer, likely much more than we realise. HPV is the clearest example, but also EBV and Hep B https://www.nature.com/articles/s41588-019-0558-9

There are also several cancer vaccines showing success in stage 3 trials: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41591-023-00072-0

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Halosheep@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So we'd be vaccinating those infections, not cancer itself

[–] torrentialgrain@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

Fine by me.

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[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Vaccines could theoretically be used to train the immune system to essentially attack cancer cells in much the same way we already use immunotherapy. Though as far as I understand it, we have yet to fully develope one.

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[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Tha's a new thing for me.

I wish they had detailed how the removal of glycans is accomplished. Alas, Wikipedia doesn't even have an article about "glycoengieering", which would likely be the term for this method.

Edit: oh, I also mistunderstood. I started thinking that it accomplishes removal of glycans from the invading virus, but instead it's only removal of glycans from the vaccine, exposing more of the virus, leading to more diverse antibodies. Which is far more doable, and not a big technical novelty. But apparently, quite useful. :)

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Coronaviruses are not the only cause for what is considered the "common cold". I remember that some Rhinoviruses, Adenoviruses and I think a forth family of viruses also cause symptoms that are counted as a cold. It's kind of a catch all term.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Okay, sure. Then a third of all colds, which feels like a good start.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 days ago

Sure, I'm not opposed either! Just want to make sure people here have the information needed to not be disappointed later.

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

~~Does it also contain the latest patches for my Autism?~~

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago

oh man, I can't wait to get autism^3

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It includes the latest release, but it's the same one included on last year's flu vaccine.

I think the devs may be quietly winding down support over the next few years.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Abolishes higher education, public libraries, and free time

We've done it. We've cured autism.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (10 children)

Abolishes higher education, public libraries, and free time

Almost like the rise in people identifying as autistic and diagnoses could be connected the fact that we created a non functioning society that only values extraverted people who are willing to lie and hurt others…. That neurodivergence is pathologized primarily because it runs counter to functioning in a capitalist society, and that many autistic people struggling to survive today might thrive and not be seen as even ‘disabled’ in a world where struggling to make eye contact doesn’t get you disqualified in job interviews…

[–] eliza_stats@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Oh this is a thing I can add to (PhD in Ed here, specialize in ed measurement specifically as it relates to Disabled students across spectrum of disability types). Definitely have ADHD, potentially low support needs AuDHD. Fully adding on to @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world

This is not exhaustive, it's not even the most nuanced, it uses a fair amount of terminology from a medical model which isn't my favorite, but I'm tired and I wrote a lot. This is written from a academic perspective, uses mostly identity-centered terminology, and includes ASD under the Disability umbrella, as that is where it lives from a policy standpoint. For many of us in Education Research, Disability as a term serves as a reminder that the 'one size fits all' approach the basics of education policy doesn't fit particular groups of people in fairly systematic, predictable ways, depending on what their unique needs are.

-Autism is now understood to be more than just the externalizing behaviors that highlight stereotypes of Autism. While stimming is still a very real indicator, stimming is no longer just hand flapping, head banging, and other large movements- finger/toe tapping, vocal stimms(even quiet ones), fist making, are now broadly acknowledged (among innumerable others), as are internalizing stimms associated with speedy thoughts, maladaptive self-talk, internalized singing, etc. Furthermore, as we now understand just how broad of a spectrum ASD is, we also acknowledge that a huge part of the Autistic population (esp. what are called 'low support needs' women, but also broadly across Autistic folx with low support needs/high masking) have primarily internalizing symptomatology both in their stimms, but also their specific interests. Teachers and parents don't really bat an eye at a young girl who is really into drawing horses, or really loves to write about horses (I swear I'm not picking on horse girls), and loves to read books about horses. Drawing, writing, and reading are acceptable behaviors for girls according to how girls and women are socialized, so it's largely ignored. Externalizing behaviors and vocal declarations of wants are more encouraged among young boys, until they are deemed problematic for whatever reason.

-When you remember that all of the 'gold standard' ASD screeners were based (almost) entirely on white, male, kiddos, it makes sense that the kiddos whose differences that would be most flagged would be those that align most closely with that demographic. Once upon a time, the ratio of girls to boy with ASD 1:5, it's now 1:3.8. I anticipate this gap closing further as we understand more and develop better items for screening for internalizing aspects of ASD. Furthermore, different cultural groups have different expectations of behavior (particularly within gendered socialization), and that feeds into differing rates of ASD diagnosis across cultural groups (and the horrifying differences between white and Black kiddos being diagnosed with ASD instead of Conduct Disorder, but that is a much much larger conversation).

-Starting in the (I want to say late) 90s, Autism screeners became standard practice in early (toddler) pediatric medical appointments. If you (anyone reading) has kiddos, those questions the doctor casually asks you about your child/toddler's behavior are largely part of different developmental screening batteries. These taper off around 4-5, as typically by that time we have identified a large portion of the higher support needs (level 2 and 3) kiddos. HOWEVER, this is also the time where kiddos are really developing their internal voices, which we're not really addressing in those caregiver interviews. This means we miss those masking kiddos. As our understanding of ASD expanded into less of a intellectual disability with externalizing behavioral indicators and more into social communication and executive functioning (<- that being a big one) with more internalizing behavior indicators, the number of people diagnosed as Autistic also exploded.

-Finally, IDEA (now IDEIA) and Rehab Act (Section 504) tied a lot of the funding for supplemental services from the Feds to a diagnosis. The EHA was reauthorized as IDEA in 1990 and that's when ASD was explicitly added to the list of included Disabilities. 1997 the re-authorization added some supports and need for tracking, and the re-authorization and renaming to IDEIA clarified the importance of IEPs and qualifications for federal funding of services. Funding for services for students qualifying under IDEIA or as English Language Learners are actually the 2 largest (direct student) functions of the trying-to-defunct Dept. of Education. All this to say, in order to receive the appropriate supports for a "fair and appropriate public education" (FAPE, a cornerstone of the Dept. of Ed), diagnosis was rather key. And you see this when you look at the changes in prevalence over time.

The combination of expansion of the definition of ASD/better understanding the spectrum (ASD becoming more than non-verbal folx with high support needs), coupled with integrated screenings at the doctors office, and then later better identification of internalizing features of ASD (in 2 stages) accounts for a huge proportion of the increases. According to the CDC (these are all for 8 year olds), the incidence was 1:150 in 2000 (for kiddos born in 1992), stayed above 1:100 until 2008 (this is that integrated screenings in peds appointments), and then increased in prevalence again in 2010 (kiddos born in 2002) likely partially attributable to the increase in social communication items on screeners, and then again in more recent years to 1:36 (2020, kiddos born in 2012) (imo 'omg, girls can be Autistic too'). And all of this is coupled withe some of the legislative changes mentioned earlier.

And not to ignore the original parent comment: the earliest foundations of formal education systems within the US were definitely to create an 'appropriately educated' population during and after the industrial revolution, and that foundation is still very present in formal education. Frankly, 'back in the day' those that would be classified as level 2/3 would more often dropped at institutions, generally abandoned, for the state to take custody of, and generally abused and abandoned, there was no real thought to how to integrate them into the industrial revolution at any level. Frankly when the factory education model was developed, Disabled people of any variety were not considered in the slightest.

PSA: Also note that vaccination counts (as in the number of vaccinations kiddos receive) have stayed fairly stable since like the 1970s. There was a decent jump in 2005, but also some that were dropped off. Not that you could realistically tease out anything close to a causal model looking average vaccinations rates (or counts) with panel data (too many history effects). There are too many other things that support a much more realistic explanation. So with all my heart I remind you all that vaccines don't cause Autism (I know that was never a question here, but a reminder nonetheless). ETA: Not vaccinating your kiddo because you think vaccines cause Autism implies that you'd rather your child be dead than Autistic, that means you suck.

Tl;Dr: It's complicated, race matters, gender spectrum matters, socialization matters, research is slow, follow the money and there is your explanation.

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[–] dryfter@lemm.ee 54 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Meanwhile, in the U.S. I'm sitting here wondering if we'll even have a flu shot available for next winter, let alone a new vaccine that can protect from Covid and the common cold.

[–] DigitalDruid@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 2 days ago

they actually did end up having the meeting on the 13th:

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/influenza-vaccine-composition-2025-2026-us-influenza-season

will it happen? idk but it's a good sign at least

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 16 points 2 days ago

This I want.

[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)
[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Who gives a shit? I will take it as will my entire family.

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[–] seejur@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Doesn't matter, they ll die by measels before anyway

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

They can die from it alone in their house. Stop going to the hospitals and infecting infants and newborns that can't get it.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 187 points 3 days ago (14 children)
[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 147 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Latest FDA guidance: Take vitamin A, wash it down with raw milk, and attend virus spreading parties to build natural immunity.

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[–] turtle@lemm.ee 129 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Now consider that Scripps Research, who is developing this, is US-based and receives a lot of federal government funding, and that Trump/Musk/DOGE have been slashing and burning all kinds of federal science staffing and funding. Also consider that their main federal funding comes from HHS, which RFK Jr., notorious vaccine hater, heads.

Then weep. Progress on this may be stalled for a long time.

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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 140 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Keep me updated on which countries approve its use so I can add them to my travel plans.

[–] HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth 54 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Might be a great excuse to visit Denmark... I hear it's wonderful there.

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[–] missandry351@lemmings.world 14 points 2 days ago

Where can I get one?

[–] eric5949@lemmy.world 97 points 3 days ago (29 children)

No way they'll let Americans have it

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That is amazing. Yay good news :')

[–] Cocopanda@futurology.today 37 points 2 days ago (12 children)

After the most recent flu or cold I had. I would do anything for a cold vaccine. Flu shot likely kept me safe from that last bug I had. But still would like a cold vaccine to.

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[–] ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 26 points 2 days ago (17 children)

I wonder how this could help those with long COVID.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 37 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

long covid, aka sequelae (medical term) means you had a long last complication that seperate from the virus. the inflammation couldve damaged parts of your body you are chronically suffering from. it might not help, since its not caused by the virus anymore.

its basically like having PHN, or nerve damage after shingles, the vaccine wont help you with that.

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[–] Krazore@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

So I've read up a good bit on this topic / issue. Many times long covid can be a result of the infection causing neural damage which then leads to long term inflammation. While this isn't the only reason for it, doing a protocol to repair damaged neural tissue and receptors has been effective with people I know. It has reduced or removed the symptoms they experience.

[–] 24_at_the_withers@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

Many long COVID infections are causing/caused significant damage to organs (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11834749/). A vaccination isn't going to reverse organ damage.

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