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[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Nice, DINUM is doing a lot so great to see go beyond with supra national collaboration!

I'm using NextCloud (Germany and international open source community) hosted on Webo (Slovenia) with data centers in Germany and Helsinki (so I bet on Hetzner). I'm happy with it but I'll keep on eye on https://github.com/suitenumerique/docs

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

I'd be curious, they use Minio which puts S3 first. Does it mean Docs (the official instance) is relying on AWS?

If so IMHO that's not a great default EU sovereignty.

[–] hoppolito@mander.xyz 1 points 53 minutes ago (1 children)

I would assume (without having looked at the codebase) that if they use minio they are, by default, not reliant on AWS.

Minio is its own S3 implementation which can be self-hosted.

S3, being an AWS protocol originally has AWS environment variables all over the place but that does not necessarily mean a reliance on the service. Rather, they rely on the protocol and you bring your own S3 endpoint I would assume. be that minio, hetzner or what have you.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago

Thanks for the clarification, that makes sense, closing the issue then.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 1 points 49 minutes ago* (last edited 45 minutes ago) (1 children)

I thought that MinIO is a Open-Source S3 implementation, which you can just install on your own system. S3 is a "protocol" here IIUC.

Is your complaint that they are using the S3 protocol, because it was invented and is controlled by AWS?

Or that some services might use it without MinIO, directly on AWS?

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 1 points 3 minutes ago* (last edited 3 minutes ago)

Seems I misunderstood, if it's solely the branding (of that implementation) then it's fine. I thought they relied on AWS itself.

[–] thickertoofan@lemm.ee -3 points 54 minutes ago

and why so?

[–] AnonomousWolf@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

We already have kDrive you get 1TB storage for only 2€ a month, it's based in Switzerland

[–] hoppolito@mander.xyz 1 points 50 minutes ago (1 children)

Is there an open source implementation of kDrive as well?

[–] cooligula@sh.itjust.works 1 points 40 minutes ago* (last edited 39 minutes ago)

It is already open-source. All of the source code is on their github and, for docs, they use an implementation of onlyoffice very similar to the one in Nextcloud

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Really cool. I tried to sign up but you have to be part of an officially recognized organization in France and input their registration number as part of the process.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

Yeah I thought this was open to the general public, I didn't realize that it was not

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

I definitely don't want the government attached to my personal files, in any country.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 37 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

Calligra and LibreOffice already exist though. I am not against this in principle but couldn’t they have invested in an existing FOSS project?

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

Wait LibreOffice has a cloud?

[–] Trihilis@ani.social 40 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

While both of those are great software. Unless I'm not aware of something they aren't cloud/network based office suites like Google docs and office 365.

It seems this is an alternative to office software where you can work simultaneously and share documents in the same cloud/network.

I don't think there is an alternative to office 365 and Google docs at this point that is open source. So this seems like a great project and I'll definitely be considering it for our company.

[–] Exceptionhandler@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

What about Collabora Online? It integrates nicely into Nextcloud, but I am not sure about pricing for business use.

https://www.collaboraonline.com/collabora-online/

Guide for self hosting: https://collabora-online-for-nextcloud.readthedocs.io/en/latest/install/

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[–] loudWaterEnjoyer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

There's onlyoffice for cloud based office

[–] AugustWest@lemm.ee 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Onlyoffice seems a little slack on the security and updates. I saw the warnings in the desktop package, have they made sure the online offerings are secure?

[–] bishbosh@lemm.ee 3 points 10 hours ago

If there are issues like this, sounds like a good goal for a country that wants to divest from US tech companies.

[–] passenger@lemm.ee 3 points 13 hours ago

There is nextcloud and others you can self host at least.

[–] CostcoFanboy@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

A lot of government programs don't really make sense and are there just to put a name on a CV sadly. Collabora Online does exactly that and is primary licensed under Mozilla Public License.

They could have easily expanded Collabora. But you know, can't stamp your name on it.

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 2 points 51 minutes ago

To be fair, though a new project might not be as efficient as improving another, projects learn off each other, and sometimes it's good to have developmental 'competition', and variety.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 6 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Can either of those do collaborative editing? I usually think of that feature when I think of Google Docs

[–] genomebandit@lemmy.world 22 points 15 hours ago

Really glad to see the EU adopt more open source software as a way to combat the centralized control some of the american software companies have over the space.

[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 27 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

As someone in and from the US, good. Private companies are far to prevalent in public institutions all over the world. Something as basic and fundamental as word processing should not be controlled by a small select few huge international companies.

[–] lengau@midwest.social 11 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

What does this do over what the collabora tools in Nextcloud do?

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 2 points 9 hours ago

NGL I keep forgetting NextCloud has collaboration tools.

[–] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 22 hours ago (11 children)

We should actually use an opensource, decentralized and private alternative instead of relying on another centralized service

See Fileverse for example: https://fileverse.io/

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 30 points 18 hours ago (6 children)

Why distributed? Having your data tied to a blockchain seems unnecessarily complicated, and it essentially puts your data at risk if the bulk of the community moves to the next hot thing.

We really need to decouple storage from the apps themselves. Whether you use distributed storage, local storage, or something commercially backed like S3 should be a choice separate from the app you use to view and edit your data.

I self-host Collabora (online version of LibreOffice; OnlyOffice is another option), and my data lives on my NAS, but it could just as easily live on S3 or some distributed data store.

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[–] Slax@sh.itjust.works 35 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I agree but having two major countries using this might be a good move for more efforts from nations. I know Canada still uses all M$FT platforms and recently moved to EXO.

Purpose built projects like this would be easy for public servants to adopt and adapt their workflow.

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