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Putin Won (www.theatlantic.com)
submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by cm0002@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world
 

The Russian dictator has bent the world, including the United States, to his vision.

Edit: Anti-paywall link: https://archive.is/vnzoT

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[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 168 points 1 day ago (3 children)

No he hasn't.

One of the biggest gripes I've had with Americans over the years has been their perspective that America was the whole world. The rest of the world was just "out there somewhere", some vague hinterland that news stories came from sometimes but that didn't really matter and was totally at the whim of whatever was going on in the real place in the world, America. Even now, even among the Americans who are horrified at Trump and what he's doing and want to say sympathetic things to the allies he's screwing over, we're still seeing this.

Putin's useful idiot has smashed America and America's global dominance. This is bad for America, sure. But it's not necessarily bad for the whole world, and it's not necessarily even good for Putin in the grand scheme of things. Putin is still three years into his three-day "special military operation", with his troops travelling to the front lines on crutches and donkeys to die in meat waves. Finland and Sweden joined NATO. The EU is allocating hundreds of billions of Euros to defense. Germany just elected a government that seems willing to stand up and join them in combating Russia. Russia is still completely hosed. It is not bending the world to Putin's vision.

Sure, it would have been nice to have America fully on board with defeating him too. But America's only a part of the whole world, and an increasingly smaller part these days. Let them go wallow in the isolation they seemingly crave.

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 5 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

What nonsense. This is great for Putin. There's no American Isolation, USA has begun switching to the authoritarian side and is now directly moving against the democracies. Finland and Sweden were hardly worth it in trade.

[–] TripleIris@lemmy.wtf 4 points 23 hours ago

That's what everybody seems to be missing! Trump and his cronies are already trying to influence foreign governments. Trump and Musk are directly intervening in Canada, Denmark/Greenland, Panama, Germany, UK, Poland, Ukraine, and even Australia. This government is like a cancer, you can't ignore it because it's going to spread throughout the whole body if you do.

[–] Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm glad to see this perspective. I live in America, and I thought surely the rest of the world doesn't see it like this. We are out, and of our own god damn volition. But that doesn't mean Putin won. If anything, weakening America so much just means our government couldn't possibly come to his aid in any meaningful way when the European countries inevitably have to put him in his place.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

Well, if the US is now Putin's country, I don't think Europe is strong enough to take on both Russia and the US (with it's huge army that's actually functional and has bases inside Europe). Europe is fucked.

[–] uienia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It is pretty fucking bad for Ukraine as well.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 86 points 1 day ago (4 children)

yep. all it took was some brainwashed rednecks and a metric fuckton of apathy

[–] ShadowRam@fedia.io 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think Putin's push is a direct result of US and UK just straight up ignoring the cooperation of the UN Security Council in 2001.

Against the entire world wishes, votes and resolutions passed in the UN..

The US and UK straight up ignored it all and invaded a sovereign nation.

Once that precedent was established, and it was obvious the decorum of the UN Security Council wasn't going to be respected, Russia and China changed gears....

When they realized that any buffoon (Bush) could one day just be put in charge of the US and decide to invade another country and nothing would stop them, they started preparing long term.

[–] Viri4thus@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is exactly it. Once it became clear it was "rules for thee and not for me" the gears were set in motion.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

The gears were set in motion much sooner. The plan to destabilize the US from within using hybrid means seemes to have been there since Khrushchev and it got a lot of traction by the end of the 90s with publication of The Foundations of Geopolitics.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm not even sure if brainwashed is the right term since it's clearly a deep anti-intellectualism coupled with deep resentment of established society. They have been voting for this kind of thing in the USA long before Putin got his disinformation machine involved.

You kind of need a brain to have washed and "you’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons."

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

i figured that machine started running shortly after nixon

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] balder1991@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

That’s a very good article.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That's a take that ignores the history of the Soviet Union, it's collapse in 1991, and Russia's embrace of capitalism and oligarchy after that. Putin himself didn't even come into direct power until 1999.

[–] bratosch@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Metric? You mean IMPERIAL 🦅🇺🇸🔫

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

You'll use whatever Vlad tells Trump to tell you to use.

[–] commander@lemmings.world 2 points 1 day ago

and a metric fuckton of apathy

We can thank those who support the disparity in wealth for that one.

[–] Sgarcnl@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Impeach the russian asset and remove his cabinet!

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

they can't, because all branches of government are staffed with loyalists

and leftists won't vote

so there is nothing

[–] zenitsu@sh.itjust.works 3 points 23 hours ago
[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago

sure he's winning, but he hasn't won yet.

the fact that I and others like me still draw breath means the fight is not yet over.

[–] Punchshark@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Murica died with a whimper

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

America losing is not equivalent to Russia winning.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, europe is back up again.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wish it was. But Europe is confused and not united enough. They still can't believe the US is on Russian side now, hoping for the best. And they're paralyzed, because every real action is bocked by the pro-Russian countries among them.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not fast enough for sure, but I'm definitely confident we'll get there. Three years ago would have been better, to save Ukraine, today it's the whole free world at stake.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Three years sound way too many. By that time, how many countries are going to fall victim to the same forces that got the US? Hungary and Slovakia are already lost. This year, it's going to be Czechia. And who knows which other elections in which countries are going tu turn out badly.

I wish Europe was able to act now and purge all the infowar actors, but I don't think that's going to happen.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 0 points 23 hours ago

Oh, I've just read this article. It's depressing but important for understanding the European capability to defend itself - which is almost nonexistent without the US. I didn't know it was that bad. https://archive.is/GCWGk

[–] funkajunk@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)