This is Funny if you think about it because Modern Pizza originates from the USA and Pasta from China
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As someone who's lived Italy, this does sound like something an Italian would say lmao
Agreed, Bosnian and Croatian food are the only proper food :3
According to this map I should probably be dead.
Tbh I find Italian culinary traditions underwhelming. Like they just gave up 10 minutes in, no work at all because it's too hot.
To be fair, the further from coastline, the better the Italian cuisine - more herbs, more variety, more complex recipes (e.g Ligurian braised rabbit)
I saw a really good documentary recently, hell if I can remember the name. It covered actual Italian historical dishes. They were explaining that most of the really old stuff was region specific. Like one dish in one area had nothing to do with the same dish in another area. They actually went through kind of a food reimagining or Renaissance after one of the wars. Basically they were saying that pizza as it is now is not that old. Prior to the rush into America they had flatbreads that kind of but didn't really approximate pizza, and it wasn't until the Italian Americans repatriated that they started honing what they consider they current concept of pizza.
The concept of nations as well as their culture and cuisine are relatively young. Medieval cuisine was both highly local and also quite similar across a shared biome.
Italians have a couple of great hits and a lot of duds.
I'm Dutch and I think this map is completely unfair. It overrates our food significantly
The Dutch chartered an enormous company to trade spices, but never used them.
That's just common knowledge, dealers never dip into their own product.
This tracks, every Italian I've ever met has been a complete snob about food.
I'm a little disappointed that the center is a knife and fork instead of a hand pinching fingers together to make a point
u wot m8?
We've got Greggs Sausage Rolls.
All you've got is pasta and tomato sauce for every meal, and think different shaped pasta makes it a different dish!
That's like thinking beans on toast is different if you put it on different shaped bread.
I second this map.
I feel like France, Greece, and Spain are gonna have some pretty strong objections.
RIP Portugal
You know what's strange. I can buy French cuisine, Mexican cuisine, Canadian cuisine, I can even find elements of UK in Germany
I'm not even aware that Spain has a cuisine. I just looked up the entry on Wikipedia and I've never seen any of those dishes really.
Chorizo, tapas, and paella are all pretty popular and well known.
I should have included Greece on that list, it's food is more well know in North America.
I assumed chorizo was Mexican, I've actually made that before.
I've had paella but it was on a cruise ship in the Caribbean.
I've heard of tapas but I've never actually seen it.
I'm not really an expert.
Tapas are like dim sum, a category of sharable appetizers, rather than a specific dish
Not from someone from the South-East of France.
Cannes and Nice are apparently the only places in France with real food 🤣
Food in Portugal is delicious
I wholeheartedly support culinarily disrespecting Italians, honestly.
Dudes trying to convince us that they are presenting ancient traditions when their precious dishes are invented in like the 60s
Dudes trying to convince us that they are presenting ancient traditions
Ancient traditions
Look inside
Post Columbian exchange vegetables
Post-columbian fruit is underselling just how new at least posts of it are. Carbonara was invented by US soldiers in the 1940s, literally made using bacon and powdered egg from their rations.
Tiramisu is unclear, but 1939 seems to be the earliest of the possible candidate, the earliest actual document is from 1969.
Pizza as we know it today was reimported from the US.
I love Italian food, but it's much less traditional than people pretend.
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I knew an Italian exchange student that kept whining that nothing tasted good and nothing tasted as it should up here in Scandinavia. Then another exchange student (from Thailand I think) got tired of him and told him ~"the rest of the world isn't your mother" and it was a literal moment of realisation for this dude.
Wow, a rare good tasteful Your Mom remark
the rest of the world isn't your mother
Nah but it's way closer than it should be
Zing!
I'm just under the line of "toxic" in Finland and you could drawn the line a bit further south.
Finnish national dish? Traditional version? Here you go, the entire recipe;
Pound of beef, cubed
Pounds of pork, cubed
Water
A spoonful of salt.
Put meat in pan with water.
Take pan off heat after enough time.
Done.
That's literally the Finnish national dish "Karelian stew". Obviously nowadays it definitely includes black pepper as well and bunch of other things, because the traditional version is literally just a bunch of boiled meat without any spices.
edit haha enjoyed that but yes, the formatting was off, although you could obviously used water cubes in a pan as long as you still put it on hot. Actually, it might be an interesting experiment to put a pot on a hot stove / flame with beef & pork & ice. Insofar that maybe a tiny bit of the meat would brown before the ice melts and becomes water idk. At least then there'd be browning resulting in some taste. The classical one has none.
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