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"The systems of external security in which Armenia is involved are ineffective when it comes to the protection of our security and Armenia's national interests," Pashinyan said. His address aired just days after Azerbaijan claimed full control over Nagorno-Karabakh in a lightning offensive that forced the ethnic Armenian separatist territory to sue for peace.

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[โ€“] Takios@feddit.de 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Russia has time and time again shown to be an unreliable partner. Any country still depending on them should think hard about still trusting them.

[โ€“] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not to mention, even if Russia was fully trustworthy, they did help Armenia before, what Armenia needs from it is military power and power projection. And with pathethic how Russia's military looks right now this is not a given. They are too distracted and don't seem to have ressources to fight their own war, let alone help Armenia. So, there is really no value in them for Armenia's purposes.

[โ€“] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

If Russia was trustworthy, they wouldn't have invaded Ukraine and putting their military in this situation in the first place.

[โ€“] FridayChad@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Allies moving away from you and telling the world, that there is no point of being allies with you, is a clear signal of how Russia is doing atm.

[โ€“] plistig@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder when Russia will start blaming NATO for Azerbaijan's aggression.

[โ€“] Hyperreality@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

To be fair, one of the reasons Azerbaijan's able to be so agressive, is because the EU buys so much energy from them. Azerbaijan is arguably consolidating its position ahead of talks in Spain next month, so it can present the take-over as a fait accompli. They know the EU isn't able to go beyond a strongly worded condemnation. Beggars can't be choosers.

Of course, the reason the EU is forced to rely on Azerbaijan, is because Russia invaded Ukraine.

The reason Azerbaijan was able to invade Nagorno-Karabakh,and why Russian soldiers who are supposed to be preventing this kind of thing did nothing, is because Russia is too busy in Ukraine.

If Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine, Azerbaijan would likely have been more cautious.

[โ€“] corrupts_absolutely@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

russia also wants a good relationship with turkey(and azerbaijan too) so they arent so concerned about the "peacekeeping".

[โ€“] Hyperreality@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Of course, if Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine, they'd probably be able to take a harder line on Turkey. But they're too weak to antagonize Turkey.

[โ€“] Skua@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Surely the EU would have been unlikely to intervene or protest beforehand anyway, though? No EU country has ever recognised Artsakh as the legitimate government of Nagorno-Karabakh, to my knowledge. Their official position has been that it's part of Azerbaijan since the first conflict thirty plus years ago

[โ€“] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is pretty seismic, just to be clear.

[โ€“] Hyperreality@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's been coming for a while now, but yes.

It's not just Armenia, it's all the former Soviet countries which are realigning themselves away from Russia.

[โ€“] bookmeat@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Wonder who they're aligning with post-Russia.

[โ€“] Kangie@lemmy.srcfiles.zip 3 points 1 year ago

Really? But the tankies keep loudly talking about how Russia is winning hearts and minds internationally and seeing extreme battlefield success.

That couldn't be copium.