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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 311 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Americans, take note, Zelenskyy is a competent, thoughtful leader who isn’t a rapist or a coward, or a cock holster for Putin.

[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 111 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I’d rather have Zelenskyy than Elon.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 121 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I'd rather have a toaster than elon.

[–] almost1337@lemm.ee 53 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I would rather Elon commit toaster in bathtub.

[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Masterful gambit

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[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I'd rather have a toaster than a Cylon

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I’d rather have him than any republiQan in office today. They’re self-urinators of the lowest order; pigs are smarter, braver, and more compassionate. They’re mindscrambled idiots, thugs, and fake-jesus-licking, woman-hating shitheads.

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[–] AmazingAwesomator@lemmy.world 151 points 1 week ago (3 children)

american here.

watching the video of trump and vance yelling at an ally in need of help because he said "thank you" at the wrong time is insulting. dear president zelensky: i am so sorry you have to interact with that donut and his side of coffee. you, sir, are a classy fellow who deserves to be respected.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 140 points 1 week ago (8 children)

trump and vance yelling at an ally in need of help because he said "thank you" at the wrong time

That isn't what they were doing at all.

They were yelling at an enemy in hopes of provoking him, in order to manufacture a justification for their own treachery.

As Americans, we need to understand that Trump is unilaterally forcing the US to switch sides -- to betray NATO and join Russia and North Korea as pariah dictatorships -- and we need to decide what we're going to do about it.

Exactly. They were hoping that Zelenskyy wouldn’t just turn the other cheek. Because if Zelenskyy got agitated, they would use it as justification for cutting all ties.

[–] Geobloke@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, I think it goes deeper than that. They have no loyalty to America, they have loyalty to their ideology. This is why they sympathise with the AfD, Brexit and the rest. They seek control only to enrich themselves. Russia isn't an ally, it's an aspiration

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[–] stardust@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I couldn't even make it through a minute without rage building up and had to turn off the video. That he could sit there and put up with that ridiculous circus without getting up and leaving or punching them in the face is amazing. I could not do that. I'm pissed off again writing this and being reminded of the short video I watched.

[–] margaritox@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

I couldn’t watch that shit either. Gotta admit, I’m a little relieved that it is the general consensus that they were being major dicks.

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[–] modifier@lemmy.ca 146 points 1 week ago (13 children)

I am so profoundly ashamed to be an American right now.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 week ago

I feel like a lot of the world is feeling some sort of satisfaction like "we told you the USA fucking sucked"

[–] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

I’m absolutely disgusted and enraged.

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[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 102 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fucking moron keeps bringing up Hunter Biden even in peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine. What a disgrace Trump is.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (8 children)

A very small part of me wants to believe the “he’s playing 4D chess, he’s six moves ahead, and we just can’t see his next play yet” MAGAts. Because the only other alternative is that he’s a fully senile idiot who holds the most powerful seat in the country. And unfortunately for my sanity, I know his actions are not due to genius.

[–] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

His GPA at Fordham was 1.28

[–] Mister_Feeny@fedia.io 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

While it probably was in that ballpark cuz he's an idiot, that transcript image that made the rounds a bit ago was a forgery, so it's unknown what his gpa was. Plenty of provable real stuff that shows him to be a moron, however.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 63 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

This isn't debasement. This is manners.

Manners are about you thanking the host, not about the pigs you dined with. Sometimes, the host IS the pig. But it's still about you, so cast them some pearls.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

You've been downvoted, but you're right.

Folks, this is what debasement is:

debasement noun

The act of debasing or the state of being debased; a lowering, especially in character or quality.

What Zelenskyy did was the exact opposite of that: by putting his personal pride aside for the good of Ukraine despite Trump and Vance trying to double-team him with the worst bullying they could muster, he showed incredible strength of character and statesmanship.

Make no mistake: this was not Zelenskyy showing weakness or fealty towards Trump. This was Zelenskyy jumping through the hoops necessary to deny the bullies credibility for their claims that he was not cooperating towards peace. His graciousness just sets him further above them, in terms of diplomatic credibility.

In the damn near no-win scenario Zelenskyy is in, this was as close to a victory as he could possibly have hoped for.

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[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago (7 children)

The EU policy secretary (I don't remember the exact position) said after that meeting that the free world needs a new leader and she hopes Europe is up for the challenge.

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[–] androidul@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

it was very disrespectful, that’s not how a host treats a guest.

JD’s tactic is well known in the psychological manipulation menu and it was extremely rude.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

he wasn't even listening, he had his bullshit ready to go. he said "did you ever say thank you" when zelenskyy literally started talking by saying thank you in that very meeting.

[–] neomachino@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 week ago

Holy shit I just watched a 7 minute clip. That was a hard watch. What a couple of clowns.

I wild chicken would've been less disrespectful and a better conversation.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This just makes me reflect on how many Americans, even Trump voters, are basically screaming from the rooftops that Trump is doing real harm to them, and maybe, just maybe, that message will actually be heard.

Then I remember that he's replaced just about everyone who can get into earshot of him with an echo chamber of what-the-fuckary. Absolute useless humans, who will shield Trump from hearing about any negatives from the decisions he's making.

Everything they're saying to the public is spin. It might be based in fact, somewhere in the background, but it's so far divulged from that truth that it's difficult to even tell what true thing was spun this hard to generate the things they're saying. There's a nontrivial amount of it that's just outright fabrications.

I'm not an American and I couldn't vote in the US election. I'm your neighbor to the North and all I could do was watch, in horror, as the vote went to the orange party.

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[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 week ago (10 children)

What do you mean "debase"? I see an adult acting as one. Maybe it looks a little weird next to the behavior of vhildr.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Because he is thanking Trump after they treated him like crap. He is doing the adult thing for diplomacy, but had he had no war situation Thanking somebody for being overly douchey to you would be considered debasing yourself

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 1 points 17 hours ago

He is being totally sarcastic, it’s a total slap of trumps face.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 19 points 1 week ago

When someone gets you a really crappy birthday present but your parents make you write a thank you letter anyway.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Can you imagine that some idiots were turned against Zelensky - it's insane. One of true contemporary heroes.

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