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[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 3 points 47 minutes ago

It's because a lot of the criticism attributed to "the Democrats" it's just general criticism about the government and has nothing to do with a Democrats specifically.

I really feel like as soon as a Democrat gets in the office people forget that the other half of the government is fucking Republicans that will do anything to stop Democrats from getting what they want... That's the entirety of what Turtleman is made of.

[–] DonDomingo@feddit.dk 0 points 30 minutes ago

i Wish my wife was a democrat

[–] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

Any and all politicians are open to scrutiny imo. They are PUBLIC servants and as such they should get called on their collective bull shit.

The democratic party has failed us in a massive way. That's just facts. The republican party is a circus with an orange ring leader. None are doing their jobs in a way that truly helps the people, when they enter politis they start thinking of themselves and how lobbying can make them rich. There are only a few exceptions, Bernie, AOC etc...

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago

I wish the Democrats were not being complicit with the Nazis and had half as much of the obstruction the right uses when not in power

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago

US Republicans are not democratic to begin with, they're a christi fascist group that should have no right to exist as it inllinly makes the world better for a tiny tiny group of people over the backs of everyone else.

Having said that, the US Democrats are a godawful bunch of spineless dweebs that deserve everything that is coming for them. They lost the US elections because they still don't understand what they should be, what their voter base wants or what that country needs.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 18 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

As in criticizing Democrats on their merits or criticizing Democrats as equally bad as Republicans? Big difference between the two.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 hours ago

Let me try! Democrats who don't support ranked choice voting are selling us out.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

For real. Democrats criticizing their own politicians is as old as the modern Democrats. That's part of the problem, everyone marches in lock step on the right and the left argues about every action their politicians take.

[–] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 hours ago

Have you never heard of "RINOS"? Republicans attack Republicans they don't agree with just as hard if not harder.

The problem is, the Republican party actually rallies around what their constituents support because they know they need their base, while Democratic party expect their constituents to rally around what their leadership supports because they take their base for granted.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago

Democrats are not "our politicians"

[–] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

You get two options with a history of nepotism and complacency. Independent parties stand no chance due to the funding.

Yes, democrats suck, but it's still better than voting for soulless fascists.

[–] Confidant6198@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

Democrats are souless fascist who conducted a 1 and 1/2 year genocide supporting a fascist regime. They tripled the police budget and militarized the police domestically to oppress minorities

If the system had any legitimacy, Trump wouldn't have been given office the first time due to violating both emoluments clauses much less allowed on the ballot the second time while being an impeached felon.

Even if you think the results of this election are legitimate (both Trump and Elon have as much as said they are not) the GOP has made no secret of P2025 or their goals of cracking down on blue states in future elections.

The slow road to fascism still leads to fascism. Democrats and Republicans are the gas pedal of imperialism. One pushes softly. One pushes hard. Before you argue consider the insanity of Greenland is basically exactly how we took Hawaii. Democrats are largely just good cop convincing you to fuck yourself over for the system. http://politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

Firstly, there are many reasons third parties aren't possible but the largest is basically the Constitution mandating simple majority voting which naturally falls into a duopoly. A third party either cripples or replaces the one it's closest to. CGPGrey can explain it further: https://www.cgpgrey.com/politics-in-the-animal-kingdom

Then you have to understand Democracy is a political system and capitalism is an economic one. In simplest terms, capitalism is a small group of capitalists that own the factories and get all the profit set opposite a large group of workers that sell their lives an hour at a time. The US has a legal fiduciary duty to shareholders which basically means profit must always be maximized. This is the constant pressure on wages to stay down and prices to go up. That doesn't sound inherently terrible until you read into SEC EDGAR filings and find out that the overwhelming majority of every privately traded company is basically owned by BlackRock and cellar boxing has been used to rob American pensions and cripple American businesses including cancer treatments. https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/owpfc3/will_the_real_gme_bbemg_please_stand_up_part_1/

A democracy relies upon educated, competent citizens. Educated, competent citizens think critically, get engaged in politics, want clean water, safe working conditions, and well paying jobs. All of those hurt profits. What more people need to understand is capitalism will always have an intrinsic need to undermine democracy.

What's more, democracy undermines democracy when it's a representative republic wherein only the wealthy can run for office on platforms approved by the wealthy. The DNC and RNC are both privately owned corporations that say who can run on that ballot. All the talk of term limits is further myopic, ignorant self sabotage as there is only a shortage of competent, principled people willing to spend their life in public service. There is no shortage of amoral self serving opportunists for corporations to push through election after election. Eventually you just lose the institutional memory of all the competent individuals.

We're supposedly a nation of the people, by the people, for the people, but once Corporations became people, they became the only people that mattered. 75% of theft is corporate wage theft but you can't arrest corporations because they don't have hands.

This is without factoring in the decades conservatives have spent filling government with end of days dominionists and out right fascists.

This "blue no matter who" bullshit is a different flavor of "lesser evil" that got us here because you can't fix a system when it's working exactly as intended. The founding fathers never wanted Joe Everyman voting because they knew he was a fucking moron. Voting was limited to land owning gentry because they were wealthy enough to not have to work and were able to learn.

All of our failing points are intentional. They don't want smarter people. They don't want more people voting. They want servile minions.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 hours ago

Democrats are soulless fascists.

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 hours ago

Democrats are able to hold those who commit crimes in their party accountable, thst alone is enough difference to disqualify Republicans entirely.

[–] VeldtSchema@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 hours ago

I think this is a fair POV. No one is perfect. Thinking that you cannot criticise something you are part of, you like, or are somehow related to, is just childish.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 25 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (4 children)

All you guys suck, democrats enabled the rise of fascism by being impotent cowards trying to get the scraps left behind by the republicunts.

Everyone should still vote for them becuase they are better than the only other option in your dogshit political system.

Vote as far left as possible all the way up, if it ends up as trump v clinton then it should be the lefter of the two.

[–] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

If they think their only recourse in all of this is to vote differently next time, they’re more fucked than we think. It’s not about D v R. It’s haves and have-nots. Always was. The sports teams are to distract and divide.

[–] rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 hours ago

Voting gets so much attention not because it's super effective, but because it's super easy. It's the absolute most efficient change/effort available to us.

Everyone should vote, just as a first step. Even if you don't like DvR there are third parties, write-ins, plus there is municipal and local voting, and issues you can vote on directly on the ballot.

And then after you're done voting, get involved in your local community.

If you're a defeatist/"enlightened centrist", you are a part of the system of oppression.

[–] Philosofuel@futurology.today 1 points 3 hours ago

I like that one "republicunts", that goes in to the swearing arsenal.

There are a low of flaws in the American 'democratic' system, but one of the biggest is that it devolved in an effectively two party system.

[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago

The bigger issue is people thinking that voting is the only way to influence anything. Reality is that it is the absolute bare minimum you can and should do. People need to be getting involved in their local communities, their unions, the campaigns for local politicians... you cannot change the whole country and you need to stop trying. Change your immediate area, and let those changes become the new base voters are starting from when making decisions.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago (18 children)

Vote as far left as possible all the way up, if it ends up as trump v clinton then it should be the lefter of the two.

And Democrats will always take advantage of that. They supported genocide last election. How much further to the right are they going to go? Because they will never move one Planck length to the left.

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