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All you guys suck, democrats enabled the rise of fascism by being impotent cowards trying to get the scraps left behind by the republicunts.
Everyone should still vote for them becuase they are better than the only other option in your dogshit political system.
Vote as far left as possible all the way up, if it ends up as trump v clinton then it should be the lefter of the two.
I like that one "republicunts", that goes in to the swearing arsenal.
There are a low of flaws in the American 'democratic' system, but one of the biggest is that it devolved in an effectively two party system.
If they think their only recourse in all of this is to vote differently next time, they’re more fucked than we think. It’s not about D v R. It’s haves and have-nots. Always was. The sports teams are to distract and divide.
Voting gets so much attention not because it's super effective, but because it's super easy. It's the absolute most efficient change/effort available to us.
Everyone should vote, just as a first step. Even if you don't like DvR there are third parties, write-ins, plus there is municipal and local voting, and issues you can vote on directly on the ballot.
And then after you're done voting, get involved in your local community.
If you're a defeatist/"enlightened centrist", you are a part of the system of oppression.
The bigger issue is people thinking that voting is the only way to influence anything. Reality is that it is the absolute bare minimum you can and should do. People need to be getting involved in their local communities, their unions, the campaigns for local politicians... you cannot change the whole country and you need to stop trying. Change your immediate area, and let those changes become the new base voters are starting from when making decisions.
And Democrats will always take advantage of that. They supported genocide last election. How much further to the right are they going to go? Because they will never move one Planck length to the left.
Push the party left and then vote for them. I would personally rathwr have useless weasels in power over soulless ghouls intent on stripping the country bare
Yeah, that was the line about Biden. He supported genocide instead of moving left.
Or anyone interested in fixing anything.
That's what many leftists tried to do: push Democrats at least left enough to stop actively committing genocide before they'd vote for them. The Democrats refused to budge.
okay so what’s your next step? because letting the right win has to be the stupidest ever way to influence change to the left
Maybe the party shouldn't have done it then. There will never be anything that will get Democrats to move to the left. You know it. You love it. It's why you're gloating with your spoiled milk analogy.
No, he asked for a next step. Because leftists can't get a win.
Oh, you gonna gloat too? Ok, hows about the party hold honest primaries for fucking once. Or primaries at all? How's that for step 2? Then again, since you love your sour milk, that's a nonstarter too.
You're a bit weird, I'm still not talking about Democrats, I'm talking about leftists.
What can leftists do to get a win?
Well, they could take over the green party. They're a small party with even smaller primaries. The left could just saunter in and take it. From there, they could extract concessions from Democrats in exchange for not running. Or run. If Democrats don't want to split the vote, they don't have to field a candidate. It's not like they're interested in winning in the first place.
Why the green party? Why not primary vulnerable downballot democrats?
Use the same tactic the right has used on the republican party over the last 20 years to move the opposition party our direction. Is the green party uniquely positioned or something? They have a terrible track record and at least at one point about a decade ago, were thought to be infested with .ru shills.
But if they consistently win it still alter the political landscape such that someone else will have a better chance of enacting actual change in the future.
The two party system is garbage, but if one of the two current parties lost its ability to win entirely then a different second option could appear.
Agree. Within legal means, this is the only way to shift the Overton Window back left. When Democrats are secured from Republicans, then we should be pushing for more progressive options. Democrats would not be expanding the concentration camps like the Republicans are.
Fuck legal means, this is yer problem its all pride and democracy this until its dismantled in front of ye. Taking the high road has given ye a petulant retard as a leader. Maybe throw "legal" out the window, they did.
I know what I said. A human knows how to interpret it.
RPing on an open forum will only get you a visit from the FBI.
You can't "push for more progressive options" when you've already ceded all power.
History suggests otherwise.
How far back? I'm pissed Obama and Biden didn't close Gitmo, but they didn't expand it either.