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"Natural" is so ingrained in me by now that Samsung Dex' lack of the option is fucking with me.

I think the reason Apple also went with natural scrolling for mice is because of their Magic Mouse which attempts to act like it's a trackpad. The gestures are similar to how they are on their trackpads, so it's consistent.

Touchscreens and trackpads? Natural scrolling all the way, we're directly moving the content. It works the same as if your two fingers were click and dragging the content, it does feel pretty natural.

With a traditional mouse, I see the wheel as already inverting the movement: imagine the content is the mousepad, traditional mouse wheel direction scrolling down would be pushing the content under the mouse upward. Although I think the real reasoning is probably just either you're controlling the scroll bar or the engineers just thought that's what felt natural and intuitive to them at the time. It was probably born as basically just a more granular page up/down button that became a wheel.

We still scroll "down" to the "bottom" of the page, so how is moving your finger up more natural? Maybe i'm just old now.

Curiously, I used to work teaching tech-illiterate elderly people how to use computers/phones and they always expected the behavior to be like natural scrolling. Perhaps, it's indeed the natural way...

Traditional for everything that isn't a touchscreen. Partly bc it's what I was raised with, partly practical. It's easier for me to two-finger scroll traditionally on a trackpad since it's less finger/wrist movement. If I use natural my fingernails hit the trackpad making the input unreliable, or I end up having to p much move my whole forearm to scroll. So traditional works better for me personally.

I get the idea behind natural scrolling, but there's that level of disconnect for me since I'm not interacting with screen directly, so my brain thinks of it like a mouse instead of like touchscreen. I'm guessing my brain might think of it differently had I been a little younger; I've used computers to some extent all my life, but didn't own a touchscreen device until college.

Idk, natural scrolling on any pointing device trips me up.

The scroll wheel is attached to the roller of the scroll, that's how I feel about it.

Traditional with an actual mouse, natural on my track pad. On the track pad, traditional feels super weird.

I use traditional on my trackpad. I did get forced into natural scrolling on another device for a while and it wasn't difficult to switch. But I'm not going out of my way to switch. A trackpad doesn't have the same mental model as a touchscreen.

If I'm not literally touching the content I'm trying to scroll, I'll stick to the default orientation (scrolling down moves content down). Wayland touchscreen input handling seems to handle this just fine and not couple touchscreen scroll direction to trackpad/mousewheel scroll direction.

Natural, which is somehow not default. Despite being called natural. Not weighing in ok what is right. Just interesting how the language came to be.

I like traditional scrolling, that's how I learnt and how I like it on all my computers.

Unfortunately, I also have a MacBook, which I love! The touchpad scrolls the "Natural" way, like on any modern phone, but if you plug in a mouse, it scrolls the "Natural" way, too. Which I hate! You can change the scrolling direction in the settings, but that will change the scrolling direction for the touchpad as well, so I'm stuck.

It's so frustrating that I gave up using a mouse on the MacBook.

The normal kind! ;)

as someone who frequently must switch between mac/linux/win/etc, i have had no choice but to switch to 'natural' because the varied OSes point you that way now. i used to spend much time learning how to customize each and every setting, but it became more hassle than it was worth to just learn the new way.

I much prefer natural scrolling for trackpads since I can do the same as on my phone: Flick it into the direction I want the content to go and then catch it once it's where I want it to be. Even though I use different fingers, I feel like the muscle memory transfers.

I'm pretty sure windows defaults to that ever since they introduced a proper trackpad API, which was 2016 iirc.

For scroll wheels I use traditional. It's what I've been using all my life and I found no reason to switch.

No I don't on pc. It feels more natural to do reverse scrolling for me on a mouse. On my laptop when I use a window manager it defaults to reverse scrolling, but when I switch to a desktop environment it defaults to natural scrolling, so I just go with whatever the laptop gives me on the touchpad.

I use both a pc and Mac, as well as my phone and I just get mixed up all the time. Gives me something to think about.

I use a rotary knob for scrolling since I don't own a mouse

if you've flown a plane you probably tend toward natural.

I'm glad someone else feels opinionated about this! It seemed to me that everyone I come across these days only knows "Natural"!