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Same same.
I want people to understand that everybody's needs aren't the same as their own (and not just say they do before screaming something that proves they don't).
I don't know if that means you're pro or anti public transit.
Some people act like "I don't want to be around other people" is a "need".
I don't think a society should especially cater to the most anti social members, especially if that hurts most people.
I liked the metro rail until recently, when I caught the flu 3 consecutive times when using it.
If not wanting to be in a crowded space where - 30% of people are coughing around, not even caring to use a hanky to cover, while people having smoked so much, before entering, that even the cabin ventilators being at full blast, are not able to mitigate the stink - is considered anti-social, then yes, I am anti-social.
Face masks costing $2+ are wasted in a matter of 30 minutes, being filled with stink from cigarettes, if you are unlucky enough to get in the wrong cabin at the wrong time.
I'm still pro public transit though.
On the road, you will find smokers on the roadside, smokers in cars, smokers on bikes and cycles, all making it harder for one to get to work on their bicycle, without having to breathe that stuff.
It is to the point that I cannot consider going out cycling for leisure, because any fun I might get from an hour of cycling can be destroyed by a few seconds of choosing the wrong route.
Where do you live that it's full of smokers? Smoking hasn't been allowed indoors in NYC for years. I guess other places haven't caught up.
I think the people smoking and coughing in public are more anti-social. It kind of bothers me that we're generally too polite to do anything about people being a nuisance in public. I don't want, like, vigilante murder of smokers, but if something happened to remind the guy smoking in the subway station that rules are agreements, and if they're going to break the rules maybe someone's going to break their face, I wouldn't be that upset.
Maybe I was too unclear. Smoking indoors in public areas has long been prohibited.
Problem is, just because someone stopped smoking a minute ago, doesn't mean the stuff in their lungs and clothes will not dissipate. This is easily noticeable when:
- The room is closed, with closed loop ACs instead of HVACs in the name of ventilation. Over time, even the insides of the AC adsorb the vapours, making it stay.
- When there is enough of people full of the stuff from cigarettes in close quarters, it becomes the same as secondary smoking even if there is good ventilation.
If they get to smoke on the staircase(which is also a closed area), right next to the door of the closed area, the poison gas is not going to follow laws of humans and stay away from the room.
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To me it's weird that you don't know how to feel about an idea until you figure out which side of some issue it implies. Seems like rational thought should work the other way around. Maybe that's just me.
You've excelled in your efforts at not making a point.
Their point is clear and I can repeat it. Try disagreeing without being rude, please.
E: Also, happy cake day!
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