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[–] h6pw5@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

Woooo yeahhhh!

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world -4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You don't want self driving cars because you like trains.

I don't want self driving cars because I like driving.

We are not the same.

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[–] Hellsfire29@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

If you make public transportation safe and efficient, even reliable, people won't need cars.

I'd rather sit on a train or a bus and read, rather than drive on the same roads with the crazy liberals and conservatives.

Oh wait, I'd be stuck inside metal tube with them instead. I better stay home then. Damn.

[–] tommygenepool@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

Can we get free chocolate bars with the tickets too.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 69 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Developed high speed rail since 2008 in China vs the US:

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 week ago (9 children)

The silver lining of autocracy.

Why would a democratically elected leader plan for the long term if their sucessors, possibly from an opposition party, can claim credit for it.

In a dictatorship, they can plan for the long term, since they know they will be in power.

Also, the hyper-individualism in western countries doesn't make "working together" as a country easier. Just look at the anti-maskers and anti-vax people lol

And also, the big population in China would never allow for a "car culture" in the firsr place, since there just isn't room for that many cars, public transit is a must for a densely populated country.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

the hyper-individualism in western countries doesn’t make “working together” as a country easier

I'd be careful with overgeneralizing that. Even though Latin American cultures also push for individualism to some extent, we do have tight-nit communities regardless because of the unified cultures that we have.

[–] Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And also, the big population in China would never allow for a "car culture" in the firsr place, since there just isn't room for that many cars, public transit is a must for a densely populated country.

I’ve been to China plenty of times, I promise the car culture is alive and well.

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[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

We had nice things before.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 days ago

Gah, America as an empire is past its prime. Look what we had!!!

[–] WordBox@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Got a not potato copy? Or context?

[–] pipes@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

Extent of railway development from 1860 through 1870 to 1890

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[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yeah that's what happens when all your manufacturing is outsourced there. China is insanely insanely rich now

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[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 56 points 1 week ago (2 children)

One of the most annoying things is cities that were designed pre-car being retrofitted for car, and then people acting like that's the city's fault for not making the city better for car, rather than the city's fault for not assessing their situation and emphasizing other methods of getting from place to place

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Or similarily, the whole world being walkable before the incredibly recent invention of cars and yet people still act like there’s no way to be without a vehicle. Like, even when cars were first coming out cities were already dense and had public transit that was working fine and many still do today.

Or “my town is small that’s why everything is far apart” my friend you have fewer things than I do in the city, within walking distance, and need a car to get to them all like how does that make any sense?! Put that shit together into a nice little walkable village! I’m from a village like that and I’m from goddamn Ontario! It’s awesome!

I hate when people who live in some crap suburb cannot even imagine—not even imagine; simply see—that there are better ways of doing this shit.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

So many cities in North America had electric trolleys going through dense neighborhoods. Most of them got ripped out and many neighborhoods knocked down to make room for ~~highways~~ rush hour parking lots.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

I watched an interesting video recently about trolleys / trams.

Originally, the form of mass transit in cities was "omnibuses", which were horse-drawn carriages on wooden wheels with seats for many passengers. Horsecars, or horse-drawn trams, were an improvement on that. Because they used steel wheels on steel rails, they were much more efficient than wooden wheels on cobblestone streets. They required much less "horsepower" to run.

An American with the unlikely name of Mr. Train set up the first horsecars in England. What's crazy about this first tram system is that the rails were above the road surface, and at that time there was no permit system or anything, so he'd just been installing them wherever he thought there was good business. He was eventually arrested for "breaking and injuring" a road in London, which basically stopped his efforts. Can you imagine that? Some dude just came and put regular raised railway tracks on a road and started running horsecars along those tracks and nobody stopped him until more than a year later.

Eventually they settled on grooved rails so that the trams were less disruptive of other kinds of traffic (but they can still be really tricky for bicycles). They also switched from horse-drawn trams to steam-powered trams and then to a variety of things: fossil-fuel engines, cable cars, electric, etc.

Part of what killed the tram was the rise of the car, and the push by car companies to kill their competition. But, another part of what killed them was simply rubber tires. Remember that the original advantage of trams was the superiority of steel wheels on steel tracks vs. wooden wheels on cobblestone. Modern roads and modern tires also meant that the advantage of a tram was really diminished. That meant that a lot of places started replacing inflexible trams with more flexible diesel-powered (omni)buses.

But, of course, there's a hidden drawback that those people might not have considered. Trams use different kinds of wheels so they can get their own lanes, sometimes get their own bridges, sometimes even their own traffic lights. It's much easier to give them priority when there are shared lanes, because they're clearly a different kind of vehicle. When you switch from a tram to a bus, the bus is just another vehicle with rubber tires, so it gets caught in traffic in a way that trams didn't.

And, of course, if buses have to stop frequently to load and unload passengers and they get stuck in traffic, they're going to be much slower than cars, so it convinces people that public transit doesn't work and they need to have a car.

In the end, we don't necessarily need trams / trolleys / streetcars, we just need a public transit vehicle that has either dedicated lanes or priority over other traffic. Zurich, for instance, has trams, but it also has buses that get their own lanes, get their own traffic signals, and get priority over other traffic, so that drivers get out of their way or risk big fines.

Sometimes trams are the best solution. Rails means you can have multiple cabins in a row and not have to worry about how to steer around corners. With buses they can sometimes have one extra "trailer", the famous articulated (or better accordion) bus. But, one "trailer" is really the limit. Rails also means a predictable path, which means it's easier to make them fully electric, which generally makes them much quieter than a diesel bus. (That is, until they have to take a sharp turn).

In the end, I like trams, but trams aren't really necessary. What's necessary is rules that give priority to public transit vehicles. You tend to get that by default with trams, but you can do it with buses, mini-buses or even mini-vans.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 4 points 1 week ago

Dense neighborhoods that were often similar density to suburbs.

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[–] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’d like for where I lived in Denver to be simply walkable. Or safely bikable. I was living in a pretty urban area in SW Denver proper and my car was lost to a collision, so I started walking everywhere. Great area for that, theoretically - I was surrounded by Asian and Central American markets, convenience stores, liquor stores, dispensaries, local restaurants, all within about a mile. However, the major roads nearby were stroads. Crossing at crosswalks was much more dangerous than just wiring for cars to disperse and running across in the middle of the block.

Worse though, I was near a kinda fun hipster shopping and bar area, but there was this horrific freeway/highway/stroad exchange where you had to go across something like 6 roads and exit ramps. It was the most pedestrian unfriendly thing I’d ever seen, and coincidentally it divided a more affluent white section of town from the Hispanic area.

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

"Coincidentally"

[–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think Denver is the least walkable city I've ever been in. Was there a few years back and was floored by how hard it was to get anywhere as a tourist without a ride share

[–] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

Really depends on the part of town. It definitely wasn't built with pedestrian or bicycle access in mind when Denver expanded in the 60s-80s, but no city in the US was back then, really. If you're in a dense area like Cap Hill, it's great. Overall Denver is set up the same as most western cities, like LA, Phoenix, Albuquerque, but for the most part is better than those. If you want something really horrible try suburbs of Houston where they don't even have sidewalks.

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

in my country during the day, you dont need to check schedules.

but then public transit is slow, uncomfortable and expensive.

they just made it frequent and to cover a big area because most of us cant afford cars but they still need us to get to work.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I mean I can want two things.

Not having to drive myself to the hospital in a minor emergency where I'm alone would be nice, but even the friends and family discount at the local ambulance company is too expensive.

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[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Please Colorado ffs connect our major cities.

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[–] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

You are going to get cities that allow oligarchs to extract as much money as possible from you. That's what you are going to get.

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