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[–] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago

If what you want is private/secure encrypted email that the provider itself can not even read, I recommend you arcanechat.me

[–] HorikBrun@kbin.earth 96 points 1 week ago (3 children)

A couple months ago, I would have said Proton. But....

Here we are.

[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I switched to Proton about 6 months ago.

Wish I had waited. Ah well.

[–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Domains are cheap, buy one and then you can jump between whatever services aren't caught up in the outrage of the moment.

[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I did, but I already paid for two years (plus did a bunch of work to migrate files over). So I'll be here for a bit.

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[–] en1gma@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What’s up with Proton?

I never trusted them 100% so I never paid for their services and didn’t really follow up with their privacy and stuff. Just used their free services from time to time.

[–] __nobodynowhere@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 59 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Buying your own domain.
You can then use whatever provider, or host your email service... but at least you don't need to change addresses when switching anymore.

[–] notfromhere@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Just make sure your domain registrar is renewable from an alternate email in case shit hits the fan you don’t want to be locked out if something interrupts the service and bow your email doesn’t work and you can’t verify who you are… because… your email doesn’t work.

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[–] perry@lemy.lol 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

disroot and autistici have been providing decentralised communication services (like email) free of cost for many years. They are both run by activists and survive on donations, and they don't spy on you or get any money from your data. Also they run freedom-respecting software, so all their code is publicly auditable.

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[–] Emberleaf@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] arcosenautic@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Besides the lack of custom domain support Posteo is cheap and great. Stellar support team.

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[–] Yaky@slrpnk.net 24 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Mailbox.org

Mailbox Standard compared to ProtonMail Plus:

  • Cheaper (€30/yr vs ~€50/yr; if you don't need custom domains, €1/mo)
  • More aliases (25 on mailbox, 50 on own domain. Proton has 10 TOTAL - why custom domain aliases are counted against Proton ones does not make sense to me.)
  • Support for any number of custom domains AFAICT (Proton Plus supports only one)
  • Trial account is not allowed to send emails, so fewer issues with services blacklisting proton.me and protonmail.com for spam (hasn't happened to me, but I have heard of some cases)
  • Can use a regular email client (security tradeoff for E2EE messages - but there already were plenty of discussions on whether E2EE has benefits, especially sending mail to other services)
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[–] tgxn@lemmy.tgxn.net 22 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Just leaving my vote for fastmail. They are wicked.

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[–] hyacin@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Proton, but I've been questioning that of late :-/

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i get it... its still a quality service despite that one shithead exec

[–] irotsoma@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 1 week ago (5 children)

But the shithead exec is supportive of fascists which means privacy is secondary to the desires of the current regime. That's just a standard part of fascism. And if the current regime is allowing untested backdoor code to be inserted in the Treasury department and NASA and the CDC and most major social media to strip out protections for people they don't like, climate change, etc. Just imagine what someone who actually supports them ideologically would be willing to do.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

if you distance yourself from every company that has a dick executive, youre going to need to go off-grid. good luck.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

People on all social media really can't seem to understand that the choices aren't exclusively "everything has a perfect open source, non-profit utopia" and "fuck it, everyone is corrupt so it doesn't matter what service you use."

You are able to do what you can, where you can, to mitigate risks and try your best not to support fascists. Especially when there are a dozen alternatives.

Then again, maybe people are just arguing in bad faith.

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[–] irotsoma@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I distance myself from companies run by people who say or explicitly support people who say that I don't or shouldn't exist. There are a few other things that make me distance myself from companies, but that one is a pretty hard line. (I'm gender "non-compliant" and on the Autism spectrum among other things that have been explicitly said don't exist, shouldn't exist, or need to be "cured"). Otherwise, I try to distance myself from any companies who explicitly collect and sell my information and other things that I find problematic, but that's not always possible.

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[–] Player2@lemm.ee 17 points 1 week ago

How about Tuta mail with a custom domain? They have unlimited custom domain addresses which is pretty nice

[–] hamburger@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 week ago

Mailbox.org

[–] caos@feddit.org 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Everything is better ;-)

i.e. mailbox.org, posteo.de; there are also protonmail and tuta.com, but they don't have IMAP

[–] infeeeee@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I use mailbox.org, my 2 points for it were:

  • it has IMAP support, so I can use whatever client I like
  • for "normal" people it doesn't sound very strange.
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[–] iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago

Perhaps an indirect answer, but I'm using a duck.com forwarder whenever i need to give any address, these days. On top of tracker filtering and random alias generator, once i change addresses I'll only have to update the forwarders destination.

[–] ray@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

If you really wanna get started with your own domain I highly recommend just getting https://purelymail.com/ setup for the hosting provider. It's going to be way cheaper than just about anything and you pay for what you use. I've been on it for a few years and never had a problem.

[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've been using Tuta for damn near a decade, and it's been great for me.

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I just got an account and had no idea it's that old

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[–] hanabatake@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This dude compare quite a lot of email providers in term of privacy. I do not necessarily agree with all its critics but it is a useful resource:

https://digdeeper.neocities.org/articles/email

I would recommend to buy your own domain in case you need to change again. That way, you're not trapped by your email provider and you can change in case you're not satisfied anymore

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[–] Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

mailbox.org and posteo are my recs

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[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Posteo + Addy.io + Thunderbird

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 1 week ago

I'm actually busy setting up my own mail server. On my own infrastructure, using public static IPs etc. I'm done with all these other mail providers. I'm going back to the start.

[–] sunstoned@lemmus.org 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Another one for Tuta, with addy.io as a proxy service. Nice integration with Bitwarden for making new accounts + it's simple to make rules based on the to address for easy filtering.

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[–] yozul@beehaw.org 8 points 1 week ago

I've been using mailbox.org, and it's pretty great. It's cheap, it's private, and it works well.

I like the idea of e2ee email, but the way they all work it's pretty much a completely useless feature for most people, myself included, and I also like using Thunderbird. It's just not worth the trade off for something I'd basically never get any use out of anyway.

[–] fragrantvegetable@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago

I'm using Infomaniak Mail and am fairly happy so far. They are based in Switzerland and I get custom domain + 5 user accounts for 1.50 EUR/month. I've tried other providers but coming from Gmail I like that their webmail displays email conversation like Google does whereas most other providers just run rainloop or roundcube where threading support isn't quite the same.

Their android app is open source too and can be installed from fdroid. It can be a bit sluggish sometimes though, but K9mail/Thunderbird works fine too.

[–] LambdaRX@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You can search lemmy for keyword email, and 99.99% of recommendations will be better than Gmail.

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[–] NahMarcas@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

Tutamail, they have direct access by fdroid too

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