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Hey, folks. I fucked up and jumped the gun by unilaterally changing the rules to exclude commercial sources without consulting the admins.

We are all in agreement that the state of commercial journalism is either disrepair or complete failure, but we're working on how to best address that. Though I deleted that post, I've kept the copy and am using the suggestions in conjunction with the thoughts of others, both users and admins/mods.

This new rule remains in the sidebar while we work together as a community (this includes you) to determine how that looks in practice. We hope to be very shortly sharing a list of preferred, trustworthy sites, and it's looking like neither a whitelist nor blacklist is really feasible.

So I'm going to ask everyone to be vigilant. Call out fascist bullshit when you see it by submitting a report. I do want everyone feeling like they can contribute to the community, with an eye to making sure we don't become part of the problem.

Watch this space for further developments. Your input is definitely welcome.

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[–] melp@beehaw.org 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Love you Beehaw admins. Been here only a week but you know I've been patiently waiting to join since spez was a see you next tuesday. And finally I am here and this instance is everything anyone could ask for. You are a great team of mods. This is such a quality place. Wha ta relief in this time. Thank you.

[–] remington@beehaw.org 7 points 1 day ago

The goal is to keep this place the oasis that it is for as long as possible. I am dedicated to Beehaw for many years into the future.

[–] leetnewb@beehaw.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I like the preferred list concept. I also didn't hate when lemmy world used a bot on news subs to post the media source's political leaning and overall credibility to every submission. Many disagreed with the bot's source of information, but what if every submission here got an automatic pinned **This source lacks consistent credibility because reasons... ** type post with you maintaining the list/assessment the bot draws from?

Between moderation of the worst of the worst and a strong disclaimer on dubious sources, it might help visitors gain better media literacy.

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 2 points 1 day ago

Problem with that is that orgs do not universally suffer from the same issues. When I was writing out the opening post here, I made it a point to say that a quality source was necessary but insufficient for news determination. Everyone puts out some fluff.

I truly don't think we can do this at the domain level and achieve the desired results.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Appreciate the mea culpa.

It might take too much hands on, but a tagging system could work.

Something like

[Independent Media] Article Title

[Corporate Media] Article Title

That also requires the poster to understand the source, which may or may not be the case

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That also requires the poster to understand the source, which may or may not be the case

That's the general problem. Users seem to have a firm grasp of what's acceptable in this community (seriously, in 20 months, I've had to remove two posts that I can recall), but expecting them to vet sources is not a reasonable ask for people not already neck-deep in journalism.

I'm just trying to get out ahead of how fast things are deteriorating since the inauguration; I was expecting this, but in the first 100 days, not 10. And if you can't admit when you make a mistake, how can anyone trust you to lead a community? Both sentences being in the same graf is not an accident.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh I get it 100%. It is so hard to keep going and push through the BS. But remember, the exhaustion is the point of their tactic. They want to exhaust people and resources so when the dust settles we are out of will and ability to fight. Pick your battles, bide your time, and don't burn too hot. I know, easier said than done

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They're quite effectively flooding the zone with shit at scale. The one upside to my situation is that I will never have to type out ... oh, shit, this sort of defeats the point of the joke ... Secretary of State Marco Rubio. I mean I'll never have to do it again. The state many are in is already enough to overwhelm our mental-health system (such as it is) in very short order.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 3 points 1 day ago

Yes indeed. Everyone I know is a fart that is too loud away from crisis a lot of the time, including myself.

[–] Zaleramancer@beehaw.org 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah, it's rather exhausting to hunt down information about some of these things. Like, I can usually find info on who owns a news site, but sometimes I don't have the context to know if they've been doing shady shit. Keeping track of things is (purposefully) difficult. Like, I found this resource but it is out of date. I am using ublocklist to slowly add to a list of news sites to make it so that I check them as I see them. If anything comes of that, I'll post here or something?

[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 2 points 22 hours ago

Don't forget that RSS is still a thing. A bit of setup, and news from sites you trust gets delivered to you.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 4 points 1 day ago

I found that info too. Shame they did not keep it up to date. But yeah, it is such a tough thing to keep track of for every company.