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Tolkien, Lord of the Rings (LotR), etc.

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Title text: No, we actually do have a woman who's basically part of our fellowship. She lives in Rivendell, you wouldn't know her.

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[–] EmoDuck@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Shnebs@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Technically passes the bechdel test

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

"Why are there no women or children in this band of medieval warriors? Social and societal division of labour, what's that?"

[–] Ignacio@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

LOTR is not set in the medieval period. Its a made up era with made up cultures and made up magic. And if you're going to get all Thermian argument about it, LOTR lore has many female warriors.

[–] Rachelhazideas@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The idea that female medieval warriors only exist in fantasy is made up by misogynists to gate keep female representation.

Here is a list of named women that participated in battle. Keep in mind that this is just the tip of the iceberg given the erasure of women in history

Joan of Arc Eleanor of Aquitaine Æthelflæd Artemisia I of Caria Zenobia Matilda of Tuscany Margaret of Anjou Tomoe Gozen Grace O'Malley Isabella I of Castile Fu Hao Teuta Joanna of Flanders Lozen Jeanne Hachette Caterina Sforza Khawla bint al-Azwar Lagertha Sikelgaita Mavia Dihya Isabella of France

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you want women in your fantasy novels, why not - it's fantasy.

Let's be real though - sexual dimorphism is very pronounced in humans, and the women you listed were absolutely the exception. Militaristic societies overwhelmingly used men for fighting, if only because women were too valuable for their ability to bear children.

It's impossible to overstate the importance of women throughout history, but they don't have to have been physically fighting in wars for that to be the case.

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How can he say that? Legolas is like right there.

[–] Historical_General@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It took me an awfully long time to realise that Legolas was played by Orlando Bloom, that Bloom was the name of that guy from Pirates of the Caribbean, and that that guy and Legolas were the same. In my defence I was around toddler age when the LotR films came out. It must have been a great time having LotR and Harry Potter plus other fantasy being put out.

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It was an amazing time. I miss those days, as all do who live through such times.