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As this project appears to be fairly unknown in the fediverse still, I'd like to use this opportunity to advertise Flohmarkt. This Fediverse equivalent of Facebook Marketplace already has some instances up and running - see here: https://codeberg.org/flohmarkt/flohmarkt/wiki/flohmarkt-instances

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

What a horrible name.

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I just set up a Slovenian instance, flohmarkt.gregtech.eu

Edit: which range should I use for it, which one do you recommend?

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Ad-software huh ? Maybe this could solve the monetisation issue of let's say PeerTube

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 1 points 1 hour ago

I don't think this can be used for monetisation, I am not sure the instance gets a cut of any sales, they are just connecting users.

That is an issue the Fediverse, with its anticapitalist stance, has yet to full address but Ghost is addressing how to monetise content in a Substack way and that subscription model is probably one that would be more acceptable on the Fediverse.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 19 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] GuitarSon2024@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Ghost town and nothing but scams and business spam at this point. It's a shame that FB marketplace killed it, because it was relatively simple and useful for what it did

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 52 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

God... remember how fucking simple craigslist was when it hit it's peak? The fact that Grandpa could take a shaky flip phone picture and post a thing you needed right around the corner, no fat or other frivolous horseshit...

Craigslist is still simple last I checked, but the user base left and now dominated by spam from retail and drop shippers masquerading as local people selling goods from their garage.

Nothing gold can stay

[–] nyamlae@lemmy.world 12 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

At least when I used Craigslist, there was no social network element to it, so it was difficult to determine the trustworthiness of any given poster.

For that reason, I don't want a Fediverse clone of Craigslist -- I want an existing Fediverse platform to add a marketplace. I will not use anonymous marketplaces.

[–] endofline@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago

You can use gpg signatures

[–] shades@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago

"I will not use anonymous marketplaces."

"I won't take cash, either" vibes

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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 18 points 18 hours ago

as always with these, it really comes down to whos using it.

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 7 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

I am super curious how does it stack against DAC7 European Directive 2021/514 from 22 march 2021.

The European law says that such sites must provide a list of users and sales

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

No matter where the site is operated from, as long as EU citizens can access it from their home countries?

Because I doubt that even fb marketplace can muster that with plausible accuracy. Especially the sales. When you take something down on marketplace it will ask if you sold it or not, but you can just tell it to mind its own business and say "no I totally just changed my mind"

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 1 points 19 minutes ago* (last edited 50 seconds ago)

Yes as long as business is accessible in EU it must set up hq in one of the eu countries and report data on sellers to that country government. (Thus phone number registration requirement which to have you must show and record ID and personal information to mobile carrier)

how does that work for flohmarkt I don’t know but I can try to set up an instance and we will see what happens. Will there be any nasty letters or not. I suspect as long as it is small thing no one will be interested but if it grew there probably would be an attempt to take it down and fines

I would really really want it to work so we can just don’t care about ever watchful big brother

[–] axum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 107 points 1 day ago (20 children)

The name has already made this nonviable for the average person

[–] anzo@programming.dev 4 points 8 hours ago

"Facebook" is an equally alienating name if you don't know English. But I agree, German is difficult!

[–] Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Does it? If you set up an instance for your local community/city/whatever, and name it something that makes sense for your intended userbase, I think it would be fine.

It goes from "I sold my couch on FlohMarkt" to "I sold my couch on Local Ottawa Marketplace" for the 'normies' out there. They're not going to care about the underlying software so long as their couch gets sold.

Do recommend a DIY local advertising strategy if trying to get something like this running, though - posters at IRL flea markets, adverts in small community papers for antiques and collectibles, crossposts/links to postings on stuff like MaxSold/Kijiji/Craigslist/GumTree/FB Marketplace/[insert online marketplace operating in your area] by first adopters, that kind of thing.

Focus on the current primary use case of centralized marketplace services (buying shit from your neighbours), then introduce the "Oh yeah, we've also set it up so you can see postings on Local Toronto Marketplace, Local Kingston Marketplace, Marché Local de Montréal" etc. from there.

I really, really think talking to people in terms of specific instances over the overarching platform/protocol is a way around 'normie' confusion about the Fediverse when first trying it, then getting exposure to how it works in practice will help them understand the nitty gritty stuff better. Is this problematic in some cases, like with Lemmy? A little bit, yeah. For something like FlohMarkt? I think less so.

('normie' in quotes 'cause I'm not the biggest fan of the term, but it's a useful shorthand)

[–] a14o@feddit.org 1 points 1 hour ago

This! It's just the name of the software, not sure why everyone's getting so worked up about it.

I think it's a brilliant use case for federation, hope this sees some adoption!

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 72 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We have to stop sending end users to software solutions for web admins. We don't send them yo "nginx" or "apache", after all.

Someone throw up a website using this software and give the site a sensible name, and then direct users to that website.

[–] shades@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 hours ago

You wanna pay for that hosting? No? Okay then.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 day ago (4 children)
[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Just call it Floh Market or just Floh. Flow Market or Just "Flow" would be good too.

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[–] maniclucky@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago (9 children)

It's not that bad. It's just German for flea market. And English speakers shouldn't have an issue with at least "Markt". Not far from a cognate.

Definitely better names but I think the bigger hurdle is getting the critical mass to get something like marketplace to work in the fediverse even with the perfect name.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 1 day ago (20 children)

Yep. It’s kind of annoying when people see everything through an “english” lense and assume anything that isn’t made to work for english speakers won’t work…

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