"Shouldn't that logic apply to..."
One must remember that people aren't logical. They're hypocritical and willfully ignorant.
this post was submitted on 02 Feb 2025
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Whats worse is that the current administration has stated that native Americans are not US citizens and indigenous communities are being hassled hard by ICE right now. I don't know what their plan for native people eventually is but it won't be good and it won't be to just leave them out of this.
Okay, what the hell? They are NATIVE Americans.
Yes but but not native United Statesians
Guess the illegal immigrants just want to finish the genocide.
So are the vast majority of most Mexicans. Mexico is mostly a Native American country that has been a bit acculturated to Spanish culture. Their genes are mostly native, their food is mostly native, their name is native, and they even have a native Virgin Mary called the Virgin of Guadalupe that wears Mexican-style clothes. South Park did a bit on this where the women of South Park were getting "wise" advice from Native Americans, so it was highly regarded and sought out. Towards the end of the episode, the women of South Park found out that the advice was coming fro two Mexicans, so they got upset and disregarded it as crap.
Fun fact: What is now the Southwestern US used to be part of Mexico which is why a lot of places there have Spanish names. It became US territory at the end of the Mexican-American War via the Treaty of Guadalupe.
Fun fact 2: BBQ is Native American. The word comes from the Taino word barabicu.
You assume logic is behind their reasoning, that's where you went wrong
The White House made it so that all inmigrants are criminals by default because they entered the country illegally. Turning innocent until proven guilty on its head. Now everyone is guilty by association.
It's origins (and current day continuation) are in white nativism which of course intersects with the white supremacist and American exceptionalism sentiments that has been around since the origins of the US
I think it's as simple as this: people need an enemy, some person or group they feel is against them. Conservatives get off on having a victim complex, and will straight up make shit up against their opposition just to make themselves look like a helpless little child. "Oh no, what am I gonna do? Me or my granddaughter needs a job and I heard in the news they're all being taken up by immigrants" meanwhile, the same person is being fed this information from the comfort of their couch.
"The immigrants are taking our jobs" is a sentiment that I have seen at least in my part of the country go down in the last several years and im in a very conservative area. Simple fact is immigrant workers work cheaper and faster than others and they often do better work, people are realizing that.
Yeah we better start coming up with some paperwork that our great great grandparents were legal. At this point I'd be pretty happy to be deported to Germany.
my great grandparents immigrated from Finland. can't wait to go!
Oh if you aren't brown you're ok. White places like Germany are the immigrants that are ok. Haven't you heard "If it's brown flush it down. If it's yellow let it mellow."? A lot of people think that refers to bathroom business but really it's gop immigration policy.
Because we have an idiot problem over here right now. The person you know is an idiot.
Where’s the meme of someone holding the box and inside is one word? Racism
Ask and ye shall receive
Bonus personal favorite
American fascism doesn't care what's true or what's right. It cares only to kill and enslave people who are "undesirable"
You know it’s true because it’s fun to say
Yeah these guys are radicalized extremists.
You can't tell if someone is "legally" in the U.S. by looking at them. You can't tell if someone was born here by looking at them. You would think racism would be separate from the immigration panic because there is no way to tie looks to immigration status, but instead the logic is thrown out the window.
My friend told me once "when a guys life goes to shit he looks for someone to blame.". These particular guys have blamed some nebulous idea of "illegal immigrants" instead of women, or communists or whatever.
Because some people were never taught critical thinking skills
Its called being a moron.
Remember, everyone is a hypocrite. The USA is a melting pot of so many different peoples with about 250 years of history as a nation. My working theory is that has led to a nation-wide identity crisis: who and what am I. They are intensely occupied with their origins because the only people who have been on the continent for millennia (Native Americans) were brutally reduced and are the only ones who know their roots with higher certainty.
It's why many USAians will gladly call themselves "Italian", "Indonesian", or "African" without ever having set a foot in that country/continent, knowing next to nothing about it, being unable to speak or even identity a language from there, nor locate it on the map.
Factor in their education system, "winner takes all" vote counting system which leads to tribalism, and media influence, human inability to think long term, and you end up with a large swathe of people who cannot reason logically about these things.
They are both from those countries and completely USA people. Bit baffling really.
That's just bad logic saying that all Americans all are immigrants. It implies that land is bound by blood and every modern immigrant everwhere would never be integrated into society, since they weren't the original people there. Every society that has migrated would also receive this immigrant label, like the Hungarians and Bulgarians. There comes a point where the people who conquer lands become the people living there and not just immigrants.
These kinds of bad gotchas aren't proving anything unless you seriously think they are only going for immigrants. They are racists. They use the term immigrant to refer to non-white people.
That's the great thing about racism, it doesn't have to make sense!
Racism?
No, thanks!
I dont think they assume all immigrants are illegal. They talk about illegal immigrants. As in those that entered clandestinely without visa or entering permit or those that have their visa / permit expired. Correct me if im wrong.
No it's the brown ones. They wouldn't look twice at a pale person like Musk.
Makes sense, I’m talking about the RADICAL anti-immigration.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
-Wilhoit’s Law
That’s it. That’s all. They want an out-group to abuse. And they have to justify people being in that out-group, so they make them lesser somehow: they’re ‘stupider, crueler, useless to society’, unlike the Amazing and Super Perfect people in the in-group.
A lot of people are influenced by alt-right news (Fox News, Newsmax, OAN) who keep repeating the false claim that undocumented immigrants are mostly gangsters and violent criminals. In truth, undocumented immigrants are way less likely to commit a violent crime than an average American citizen.
Trump said, regarding the first deportation flight:
Three hundred people sitting on a plane. Every single one of them is either a murderer, a drug lord, a kingpin, the head of the mob, or a gang member
Yet none of those deportees had any criminal conviction in either country (according to Newsweek, a slightly-right news source).
remember: oligarchs are the real criminal enemy, not your fellow 99.9%
Because people here are racists, yet not clever.
someone called my Ukrainian coworker a wetback.
i just... want you to think about that and what it says about how dumb bigots are
I feel both superior and stupid at the same time in this moment. I don't know what a "wetback" is. Based on context I'm going to guess it's some kind of racist remark that doesn't apply to Ukrainains. But for the life of me, I can't think of what it would even be saying.
So I feel stupid for not knowing.....but also like I'm probably the better person for NOT knowing.
it's a racial slur against latin americans. it's referencing backstroking across the rio grande
A thousand guesses, and I would have eventually landed on it being against Latinos (necause there's only so many races). But I never would have correctly guessed the Rio Grande part.
That's some very very specific racism right there.
race is a social construct. it's a tool of the oppressor.
Biologically, there are no multiple human races. There is a single human species. Socially, there are an infinite number of races.
The concept of race is foundational to racism, the belief that humans can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another.
The use of races to distinguish people socially is playing right into the racists' playbook by forcing you to play on their turf, where reason is out of the window.
Unfortunately I'm familiar with the term. It refers to Latin people immigrating into the U.S. without documentation by swimming across the Rio Grande river which forms part of the border between the U.S. and Mexico.
LOL reminds me about the bigot during the first Trump administration harassing Puerto Ricans because he claimed they are aren't American citizens. Get ready for even more of this nonsense in the next 4 years, ugh.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/10/us/illinois-puerto-rico-park-officer/index.html
Oh my God... 🤦
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It's their fee fees, stoked by conservative media.
Because they're stupid, bigoted cunts. I IT in construction (somehow still, whew thats another story) and I talk to these troglodytes on a daily basis. The minute one of these homunculus shambles in and has a minute to flap their lip skins racist ass, stupid ass shit flows out. Meanwhile, every gentleman that is of Mexican descent can at least hold their cool, or outright flipoff the trump cutout my boss has up in our office. Not saying they aren't imperfect humans either, but for some fucken reason white dudes can't help but drop the mask to other white dudes. All I gotta do is have one Trump trinket near me to work magic on anyone conversing with me. The trick is, a lot of the immigrant dudes didnt start flipping Trump off until he actually began this deportation shit. Even when he was saying he'd do it they were saying he'd fix stuff. Its a people thing man idk. Education in the western hemisphere is just utterly failing most. If you aren't a knowledge seeker, if you dont have the tools to combat propaganda and falsehoods, and sometimes even if you do, this place will eat you.
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Send musk back please.
The US is an immigrant nation built on the genocide of natives. Anti-immigration sentiment is based on an ignorance of history and the modern workforce of the country.
Crackdowns on undocumented workers will destroy the local agricultural industry. The US and its food supply are completely dependent on migrant labor.
And yes, it’s deeply hypocritical to genocide a population, steal their land, then act like people who came from elsewhere a few generations later to work are an existential problem.
"Well, WE did it, so obviously they'll try it too!"
There was a 19th century political party that rose in opposition to the arrival of Irish Catholic immigrants. They had the audacity to call themselves the Native American Party. Also, known as the Know Nothings. They're the gang that Bill the Butcher (Daniel Day Lewis) leads in Gangs of New York.
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