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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/36276203
ID: 3 panel comic:
A surprised looking person pops in to existence on a floating rock surrounded by fire, next to the devil.
The person asks "wait a second-- why'd I end up in hell??"
The devil, now taking up the entire frame, replies: "because centrism enables fascism"
Ah yes, the old "everyone right of Pol Pot is a faaaaashhhhhhh". A surefire way to make friends and allies, and not end up as a marginalized group of kooks.
extremist lefties trying hard to lose again.
centrists aren't about "compromise on your morals so that we can get along with the extremists", they're about "find the places we can agree on." and "extremists are teamkilling fucktards".
It's almost as bad as being so dug into your belief system that you would rather let fascists win then compromise.
Exactly. Extremism is the problem, not "centrists". Lemmy has poobrain sometimes.
I'm not an ideologue, but historically, centrism (or, to be more precise, liberalism) has done a pretty poor job of defeating extreme points of view, because they typically won't do what's required to resolve the conditions which lead to extremism, and the response to threats to the status quo (socially or politically) are more often met with repression.
The adage "scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds" doesn't come from nowhere.
You can be on the fence about anything, but remember the devil owns the fence.
Lol, the devil? What are we, children? Do you also believe in Santa?
Eh... I envy you, if so. Truly...
Am i missing a joke or something?
When you have 2 yards separated by a fence, the fence is on one of the sides, somebody owns the fence. The saying means that by not picking sides, you still technically pick a side.
It's a metaphor. You don't need to "believe" in them.
it's not a good place to sit.
with enough pressure the fence becomes a jagged edge that can cut you in half.
americans discovering rest of the democracies have more than 2 parties and people change who they vote for regularly, making center a pretty sensible place to be for most people.
I'm gonna be honest this is a dumb way to view these issues. "You're either with me or against me" just fuels an "us vs them" mentality that leads to hate and division more than anything. It shows that you'd rather label people as "the enemy" than try to understand other perspectives. Also this is the bike cuck guy. Just saying.
Most people calling themselves centrists are either so privileged that they never needed to learn about politics because they will most likely be the beneficiaries of the political system or they are so uneducated that they never even figured out how to inform themselves correctly.
Centrists usually just support the dominant force of a given system which often boils down to seeking to find compromises between left and right wing ideologies, something that doesn't work so well when a big part of the conservative platform in most countries is the hate and discrimination of certain minorities.
In bike cuck's defense, this is edited.
Eh point still stands, I wouldn't use an edit of bike cuck to make a point unless the point was to satirize his original point.
There's a lot of people in the center that feel alienated by all the vocal lunatics on the far ends of both sides.
Not that multi-party democracy is a fix on its own, but coalition governments can sometimes do a better job representing people than "round up to L or R or GTFO"
Broken political systems enable fascism. The lie that the US has a strong constitution and political system has been revealed.
In the US you get 1/3 of the electorate and ypu get everything. In the US you appoint political judges from 2 parties and control everything. In the US every election is between 2 parties, there is no other option. In the US the 2 parties gerrymander constituencies to give themselves perpetual power. In the US small states have disproportionate power in the senate and the presidency. In the US the president can make laws on a whim.
Centerists aren't the problem. The entire US system is the problem. And they have gaslit you to believe that the only option is to play the game their way and pick the lesser evil. The actual only solution is to tear the whole lot down and start again. Reform would be ideal, but revolution may by the only realistic way of doing it the way things are going.
The opposition blaming each other for the fascists behaviour is part of how fascists get away with it.
all that it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing
those who do nothing are evil's greatest allies.
Yeah. I voted third party in 2020, which effectively did nothing.
I did not make the same mistake twice, good did something this time.
Inaction against injustice enables fascism. Centrists are more often inactive against injustice, but not always.
"Everyone who doesn't have my political opinions is going to hell"
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Good point! And I noticed- that is suspiciously reminiscent of another political party that’s been popular in recent news….
Hmmm.
Its almost as if keeping the oposition divided is the point of these posts.
Centrists are not the opposition, they're conservatives that don't like being called conservatives.
you really don't understand the threat that division poses, and how much more likely it is to cause the issues that both the left and right fear. including fascism.
you probably also think the French were pussies for surrendering to the Nazis.
Yep, currenr conservative ideals are "fuck the poor, fuck black peiple, fuck trans people, fuck women, fuck gay people, fuck anyone that isn't a rich white cishet male". Hard to be an actual centrist with that shit...
Yeah, and made out of straw. We'll gather votes like this for sure!
- A surprised looking person pops in to existence [...]
You mean a surprised looking Shen. That's his self-insert character in his comics.
No it doesn't.