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https://lemmy.nz/post/18610200/13255360

This user describes how most of the women-centered communities on Lemmy were shut down due to harassment of their members.

Another user adds "We need a safe space, but most of the women I know on here don’t have the time or energy to moderate it. And there’s so few of us, it feels like it’s not worth the effort anyway."

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Lemmy is a relatively small and niche platform, imo small platforms tend to be like that. First men show up, then transfems, and then cis women. We seem to be at the second stage and while things can be done better (like a female only instance) I do think things will get better.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

In Mastodon, this is typically solved with defederation, block lists, and admins enforcing mod policies. How come this approach doesn't work for Lemmy? Is it not decentralized enough?

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 4 points 5 days ago

it’s not decentralized enough is exactly the answer. lemmy.world holds a huge portion of users and communities despite having middling at best moderation. illustrating this, one of my favorite communities (196) just recently tried to force everyone to migrate to .world. fortunately, the community at large openly rejected that absurd move, but it definitely exemplified the centralizing forces at play.

[–] Luffy879@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 days ago

Yes. Just look at .world. As long as world is still federated into other communities, the fediverse is not federated.

[–] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I had much more toxic behavior at reddit, but it is hard to imagine any safe space online anywhere.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 4 points 5 days ago

it definitely depends where you go on all platforms. blahaj zone is good, world is bad. places moderated by mods with actual experience are generally good, places moderated by jordanlund and similar get pretty toxic pretty fast. :(

[–] SoftTeeth@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Drag you killed blahaj, you are an extremely impressive troll.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 0 points 5 days ago

Off topic drama farming. Nobody asked.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 138 points 1 week ago (23 children)

I run a few communities that I would consider to be fairly women-oriented, or at least I would expect them to be interested. I do not expect many men to be interested, and hey that's okay. I welcome anyone who wants to, but no harm if it's not your thing.

But any post that gets made gets downvoted to hell. I routinely have to moderate and remove posts of "Why is this here" and "This is stupid" even though there are people who enjoy it, they are just swarmed by other commenters, and it's made my members less active.

It's pretty clear how people vote and act here, I'm coming up on 2 years here and it's been like how you'd expect. Downvotes don't mean "I don't think this adds to the conversation" or "This is appropriate", they mean "I personally don't like this" here, and I think that kills a lot of our smaller communities.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 68 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Exactly why my instance has downvotes disabled

I deeply appreciate your decision to do that :3

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 49 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Apparently mods can and do ban people who just downvote everything they see, there's even been posts here about it.

Perhaps this is the solution?

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It is, I just wish it wasn't. I don't want to ban people for having negative opinions, but there are a lot of people who only downvote, and for them it's the only option. There also aren't tools to easily automate it.

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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 47 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Yup, that's a problem. Specially because, once the gender ratio gets too skewed towards one side (it is), the Petrie multiplier kicks in; then the sexism targets each woman more and more frequently.

Potential solutions that I see for the problem:

  • Perhaps creating a few instances for women? I don't mean instances to talk only about feminism, but for general stuff. With higher standards against harassment.
  • Better mod policing against harassment. Collective action, so it's easy to say and hard to do it, I know.
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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 week ago

I do agree that the reports and downvotes of topics geared toward women are very widespread which is exhausting, and can make it hard to talk about the things you want to. Most of the virulent, misogynistic comments get removed quickly but often the damage is already done by then. I have learned over the years on the internet that sometimes I should let womens', trans' and other races' people's spaces be their spaces, and check carefully if whatever I have to say really adds to the conversation or just minimizes/drowns out the opinions of the minority audience the community is for. So I have had the urge to participate but have backed off. I'm a bit torn because the lack of activity can also make a community feel unwelcoming, but I am concerned that even my most well-intentioned comments could have a blind spot or inherent bias that makes it also unwelcoming.

The solution I see is that a woman safe-space instance is needed, whose admins ban misogony, unhelpful comments and reports, mass downvoting etc., to the point where some might feel the actions are like PTB. Beehaw has a strict moderation stance, they even defedded from lemmy.world due to the amount of toxicity they had to deal with, but they are able to curate a more welcoming experience. We are still "early days of Reddit", it will take time and effort from users of all genders to make it a better place.

[–] koncertejo@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 week ago (13 children)

It's especially jarring coming from Mastodon, which is broadly more diverse than Lemmy. I've witnessed some really questionable comments here during the last year. I really hope something can be done to improve things. I think a feminist-specific instance might be the best option, much in the way someplace like Hexbear has managed to create a fairly strong community bloc with strong core beliefs.

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