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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

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!world@lemmy.world mod enforces own opinion by modding opposing opinion as "misinformation" (lemmy.world)
submitted 16 hours ago by hark@lemmy.world to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Context: https://lemmy.world/comment/14613536 Screenshotted context just in case:

A user claims that the killing in Palestine stopped under Biden now. I point out that biden had full-throatedly supported the genocide for over a year. A mod deletes my post and says that biden didn't "state" (keyword here) full-throated support for genocide.

I counter by saying I consider sending billions in support of genocide counts as full-throated support for genocide. I also point out that I didn't say Biden stated his support for genocide and that he didn't need to outright state it because actions speak louder than words.

I receive a temp ban for that counter and the mod adds a response where they claim the weapons were "provided for defense from Iran, full stop." which sounds to me like actual misinformation because how the hell does bombing hospitals in Gaza defend Israel from Iran? I'm not bothered by their stupid opinion, but I am bothered that they are enforcing it through moderation.

I ran into a similar moderation problem on the Political Memes community also on .world, but I didn't bother making a post here for that because that's just a dumb meme community and I was better off just blocking it, but now this is concerning a world news community and it's awful to see something like this happening in a community that's supposed to keep people aware of the news.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong and it actually is misinformation to say it's full-throated support of genocide to send billions in weapons to a country using those weapons to commit genocide. Please let me know what you think!

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Everybody's been brainwashed by zionism their whole lives, especially genocide joe.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 14 points 9 hours ago

Censorship of opinion. I can't tell if the issue the accusation that US being genocide enabler or just generic "anti Israel" sentiment. The lines are kinda blurred.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 27 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Seems aligned with the general tendency of LW mods to deny any implications of the USA as weapons providers for Israel

https://feddit.org/post/2791051?scrollToComments=true

No opinion on my side, I'm not American, but curious what others have to say.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 hour ago

I'm shocking I'm not banned from .world for giving citations of the horrid actions of the people they idolize.

"Reality has a liberal bias" is a funny joke from Colbert, and when you give them reality and facts with places they themselves agree are "neutral, unbiased, reputable", suddenly they never liked them. Reality has a bias of "Maybe doing horrible things is bad no matter who does them."

They will change their tune when Trump does murder in Gaza. Suddenly they always supported Palestine, they always donated to the cause, never once did they ever defend Israel.

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 8 hours ago

1000% and it got me banned from world

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 15 points 9 hours ago

When this blows back and US citizens die, and somebody says:

Why would anybody do this to us?!

Y'all know why. Actions have consequences and i hope that support Israelis doing a genocide was worth it.

But god forbid somebody memes Luigi, that's promoting violence 🤡

[–] EABOD25@lemm.ee 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Do you just like using "full-throated"? Lol. That has a completely different meaning for me

[–] hark@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I like using the word in this case because it accurately describes the level of support biden has for israel. Coincidentally, he tops the list of recipients of donations from aipac: https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 4 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Probably the last thing that needs to be fixed with L.W news communities: Misinformation being modded.

The rule is abused (as seen in this post) and serves to promote echo chambers. If something is misinformation then downvote and say why. The person might learn something or, more importantly, others in the community who don't know will learn.

And for those who cite that 'law' stating it takes more energy to correct than spew BS. Not a law, would be banned as misinformation ironically, and, regardless, is the price public forums of communication pay.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago

It's a tough line to follow through, sometimes actually good places have errors, sometimes the bad places are reporting correctly.

I don't know if I personally could 100% accurately tell when something is misinfo. Ideally, it's not up to one mod, or even a team or admin group.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Exactly, the whole point of public forums is to have these discussions. Instead some have decided to go on a crusade against "misinformation" but what counts as misinformation? According to that mod, sending billions to a country committing genocide is not support for genocide because they claim it's actually for "defense"??? It doesn't make sense but I can't expand on the discussion and gain understanding of their viewpoint because I was shut down immediately.

What if I consider that mod's opinion misinformation, where's my recourse? Will I need to enlist the help of a different mod who agrees with me? If the only criterion to be considered misinformation is whether a mod agrees or disagrees then they might as well shut down the comments section and simply tell us what we should be thinking since anything straying from that is going to be considered misinformation anyway.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

PTB

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works -2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

While I generally do like your politics, and do also agree, I think it ill behoves you to not leave an explanation.

It's not your responsibility to weigh in on everything that comes through this community, even though most of us do appreciate it.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Behooves? You mean it benefits me, or did you mean to use a negative? Otherwise that "While" makes no sense.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 0 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Ahh, sorry, that was rather archaic speech. I'm just saying it seems to me to be bad praxis to leave only a verdict without an explanation.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't agree. As far as I'm concerned, the explanation is the OP itself. I also don't always have the time or inclination to write more than a judgement. Note however that my vote is not "The Final Say" or anything. I'm just writing as equal to one of y'all.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago

I understand.

[–] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 6 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Don't worry about a ban from World News

Theres plenty of other world news communities to go to on other servers, if a servers moderation is poor vote with your feet, comments, and posts.

Like, my opinion, man...

Its probably too far to say "full throated support for genocide", that administration made it very clear they didn't like what Israel has done to Palestinians. Buut, its also hard to argue that administration didn't passively support genocide or genocidal behaviour.

Its clearly true to say they supported the collective punishment of a whole people. Thats unambiguous, that administration put the US on the wrong side of history, and international law, something the US was instrumental in supporting, if never adopting.

Friends tell friends when they're in the wrong, Israel doesn't have a friend in the US, they're the US' unsinkable aircraft carrier.

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 8 hours ago

that administration made it very clear they didn't like what Israel has done to Palestinians.

Which is why despite saying one thing they did the opposite and continued to send blank checks. Actions speak louder than words. Full throated indeed.

[–] redrumBot@lemmy.ml 14 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

PTB.

Its probably too far to say "full throated support for genocide",

The USA is not only supporting the genocide with money and arms; they (and the UK) have also been bombing the only state (Yemen) that has tried to fulfill the international principle of Responsabilty to Protect (R2P) and has deployed their naval army to prevent others states to do it and/or to help with the genocide.

For me, that's enough to speak of an Israel-USA-UK genocide.

And sorry to go off-topic. 🤷🏽

Edit: added wiki link snd typos

[–] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 4 points 13 hours ago

We disagree on the finer points, but i'm not gona argue these points.

Fact is if these administrations don't wish to be accused of war crimes, crimes against humanity, or contraventions of UN Charters then there are other paths throughout this period they could have chosen.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 4 points 14 hours ago

!world@quokk.au

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee -4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Come to !news_summary@lemmy.dbzer0.com I don't enforce my beliefs upon anyone.

[–] tobogganablaze@lemmus.org 10 points 14 hours ago

with AI summary

Urgh ... pass.