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So far, Americans using RedNote have said they don't care if China has access to their data. Viral videos on TikTok in recent days have shown Americans jokingly saying they will miss their personal "Chinese spy," while others say they are purposefully giving RedNote access to their data in a show of protest against the wishes of the U.S. government.

"This also highlights the fact that people are thirsty for platforms that aren't controlled by the same few oligarchs," Quintin said. "People will happily jump to another platform even if it presents new, unknown risks."

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[–] avieshek@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

The fediverse and the decentralised web has a long way to go and need to learn a thing or two about UX unless it wants to join the plight of Linux distros.

[–] Fleur_@lemm.ee 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Turns out normalizing mass surveillance makes people not care about being spied on

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[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Its OK, I dont mind lower numbers on fedi. Feels more like The Good Old Days™ of forums. More people, more shit.

[–] MattW03@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

At least we don't have to worry too much about bots or "karma addicted".

[–] Boozilla@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

I mostly agree. I do miss some niche communities, though.

[–] Letme@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Americans are populist trend followers, get what they deserve. Even China banned TikTok 😂

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Even China banned TikTok

Not quite, TT is available in China, BUT the CCP mandates they use a special algorithm for the Chinese audience that promotes positivity, education and other quality content rather than just whatever is popular

[–] Letme@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

K, sounds better than a platform strewn with lies and disinformation used to fabricate political influence

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 85 points 2 days ago (15 children)

If you want more people to join the fediverse, you have to improve the user experience. People don’t want to read an article breaking down what the fediverse is, how to join an instance, how to find content, etc.

Streamline the join process so it doesn’t require learning the lore and technical training. Stop promoting the fediverse generally, and instead push people to easy to use frontends and popular instances. Remove the barriers to entry. If they want to dig deeper into different instances and the technical stuff, let them do that later. Stop loading the info dump at the front.

[–] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

Fediverse and decentralism confused me initially but then I learned I can just sign up at lemmy.world and use it normally without having to know the backend.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I dunno this kinda cracks me up a little because like...if you dig deep enough, were people flame-warring on usenet or BBS (wait lemme finish! Lol) over:

"Email needs way better UX and an insta-one-click-sign-up zero-thinking on-ramp so even a single-celled organism can figure it out!"?

That's the easiest descriptor nowadays that explains the Fediverse. Email. "What if Twitter but as a generalized service that anybody could run, like email. Yahoo? Gmail? RobertLovesSurfing.net? They can all email each other but your account lives on one."

A better way of seeking out an instance could be handy perhaps. I found Mastodon pretty smooth with "Hey you might like these if...!" Sort of suggestions. The openness of the platform should make this a much easier task than it might be otherwise, I think.

I also think better explaining the portability of your account data would help people see the benefit there.

I'd like more kinds of nerds to have an easier time getting on the Fediverse with us, so let's improve that, but I also think we're less popular BECAUSE the Fediverse is more about human communication much like "The Old Internet", and less about desperate vapid fame-seeking and self-marketing and identity-as-brand, like Web2/3.0.

A lot of me thinks we're here because corpo-net "disrupted" our forums and blogs away.

IMHO, the commercial-verse can keep its skibidis and hauk-tuas and *"Oh suddenly I'm famous! thanks for the gold kind stranger!"*s

I don't think it's cruel elitist "gatekeeping" to say the Fediverse is for anybody! But maybe not for Everybody. (Imagine if major brands discovered everybody moved to the Fediverse, for instance. Yikes.)

BTW it's 2025 and plenty of people I've observed, here in the U.S, still complain that email is "too complicated." (And no, they weren't formerly from an uncontacted tribe or rescued from a sealed 1950's fallout shelter.)

We could make things a bit easier to understand and smoother to experience, but trying to UX-away the requirement for a modicum of intelligence required is not a great end goal, I think.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah this is more my take. The sign up process is already pretty smooth. Sure some of the theory or technicals might be complicated, but is a centralized platform that has secret algorithms to keep you engaged and push content, some of which may or may not be promoted invisibly you can't always tell -- is that really less complicated? /rq

Like if you type in "join lemmy" or "join mastodon" or hell even "join fediverse" in any search engine, the first result is a website briefly describing the concept and giving your some choices of servers to sign up at.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 15 points 2 days ago

I agree that promoting the fediverse generally kind of doesn't make sense. People join communities, not web protocols.

I wonder if we shouldn't talk so much about "the fediverse" as we do about individual instances, because that's what people actually join. They get the rest of the fediverse for free, but their home server will always be home. Just like with reddit back in the day, how I may not have identified much with the reddit overculture, I did love some of its communities.

Like look at the difference between the slrpnk communities, and the programming.dev communities. That's something to be celebrated, like, come join this server - look at all the cool things we're doing!

[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A site goes to shit when everyone and their grandma hops on it. At the risk of sounding elitist, I would prefer to a part of the userbase that hasn't been Eternal Septembered into the lowest common denominator.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago

All right then, keep your secrets. But then let's promote a normie instance to Grandma so she doesn't get brainwashed.

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[–] lemonSqueezy@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The fediverse as a whole has missed a huge opportunity here. I never see anyone talking about it as alternatives to twitter or tiktok, only bluesky and rednote. AFAIK we have no alternative to tik-tok that is viable right now, so I don't know why anyone thought we could manage that one.

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[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also our developers are too poor to ge oligarchs.

[–] HBK@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I know we are all on here because we dislike the kind of algorithms that tik tok, Instagram, and Facebook have, but that is exactly the thing my wife was looking for. When I had her download pixelfed and loops she was like ' I have to search out content and manually follow people like I did with Facebook back in the day?' and she uninstalled.

Algorithms can be addictive and evil, but for some people that's what they're looking for.

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[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I don't want TikTokers on the Fediverse, thankyouverymuch.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"I don't want AOLers on the web. The open internet should just be for us enlightened few"

JFC, * don't want you pricks on the fedi. Can't you go back to BBSes or something and wank each other there?

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[–] robocall@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

you can defederate with groups but gatekeeping the entire fediverse feels wrong

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[–] MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

We've been here the whole time

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The TikTok algorithm shows you what you want to see. My TikTok algorithm was history, math, and language learning content.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 15 points 1 day ago

It shows you what keeps your eyes on a video for longer, on a frame by frame basis. "Want" is a slightly separate concept.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I do! Their opinions affect us; the fediverse reduces a social problem.

I feel the same. I prefer less crowded places, but I believe it would be better for us all if people left any kind of corporate or attention draining social media.

[–] Whateley@lemm.ee 28 points 2 days ago (11 children)

"I'm protesting American oligarchs and the surveillance state by willingly giving my personal data to Chinese oligarchs and the surveillance state. Lol, get rekt. I am very smart."

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[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Somewhere deep in the CCP...

Senior Operative: "What intelligence have we gleaned from the Americans so far?"

Junior Operative: "I'm beginning to think this well is dry."

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[–] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 83 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Fediverse fanboys when they realise that their obscure and socially complex software isn't know by many people specially outside of the tech bubble, and that it's not the same experiences that they will get with their known platforms:

edited Gru with an uncanny smile

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[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (4 children)

What should we expect from people who voted in a rich, old, white guy as their savior.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

people who voted in a rich, old, white guy as their savior.

This describes every single election except one.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

That's kind of my point. People who voted for him seem to think he'll save them from the long string of rich, old, white people who have been doing all the harm when he's really just the same, turned up to 11.

[–] MattW03@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Now, If you have said something like "...an hypocrite, corrupted, convicted criminal" i would have completely agreed with that statement.

...Just saying.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

See response above.

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[–] hector@sh.itjust.works 34 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Lemmy is great but it does not hit the spot for a large-scale consumer social network because that's just not the philosophy (It also lacks the unified identity because of its greatest feature: federation)

People are not searching for an aggregator of small forums of friendly tech people, they want to be part of the next big thing.

If you work on apps as a front-end, you probably understand that Lemmy requires too much hassle to get started with UX-wise.

It's engineered for a niche, and it's perfect to me but obscure for the majority of people who were trained to use the same UX for years and years.

No algorithm, no feeling of fame, rarely drama, content takes some time to be updated. Those are features to me but hindrance for large-scale adoption I believe.

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[–] DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Seems astroturfed to me

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 133 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Lemmy doesn't have the censorship and speech-control from those platforms, but it pretty much distributes your data widely to anybody that asks for it.

[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 142 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Hear me out: if you post stuff publicly, it is out there. The issue is data that shouldn’t be public getting public

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[–] watty@lemm.ee 55 points 3 days ago (21 children)

I used to think that the perceived complexity of the fediverse was creating a hurdle for more adoption.

Now all these fucking people are learning Chinese to better use RedNote.

Apparently convenience isn't actually a barrier? I'm baffled why so many people are flocking to anything other than the fediverse.

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