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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Been an American in America for 4 decades. From my perspective American decline is undeniable. It is simple fact.

Largely because we can't connect the dots and accept that we should be focusing on the class war, not the culture war, because that's the root of the problem. A lot of the hate and ignorance in America comes from desperation. We're desperate because we aren't losing, we've lost, a class war.

In my opinion the election that just happened was the nail in the coffin. We came together and the majority of us decided to let our oligarchs assume total control. It was a signal to them that they're good to be open about it now, too.

RIP to the middle class.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well said. We have indeed lost. Perhaps we can wipe the slate clean and start anew. I fear even if we did that though, there's enough of the population that would prefer the old way that something better could never come to fruition.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Perhaps we can wipe the slate clean and start anew.

History indicates that to do so will require a lot of time, violence, and death. And without a plan in place for what comes afterwards, we'd just end up with another shitty system.

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[–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

A fall from greatness is inevitable and I'm afraid that the fall of America, with all of her hubris, is going to be spectacularly bloody and unpleasant for everyone. :(

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[–] Hyphlosion@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They say Rome wasn’t built in a day. But also overlook that the Roman empire didn’t fall in a day either. It was a very gradual process.

So the real question is, if the US were to fall, would it be a quick or gradual process?

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

It already fell, so I guess the real question is how long it takes for people to realize it.

The three branches of government are wholly owned by the triad of evangelicals, Moscow, and a billionaire, they don't have any intention of following the law or constitution, and won't give up power. America is dead.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago

Gradual and ongoing since at least 1980.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

This is silly because we’ve always thought America was doing those things

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 64 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It took centuries for the Roman Republic to fall. At some point in time, they were past the point of no return without themselves even realizing it.

I think we are in that position now. We have been on the decline for more than a decade now, and have had several opportunities to correct or reverse course, but the wrong decision is made at every opportunity because it's far easier for powerful influential people to increase their power, wealth and status at the expense of everyone else and suffer no consequences for doing so than it is for them to sacrifice their own power, wealth, and status for the benefit of the collective. Are we past the point of no return? I'd say an argument could be made for either yes or no, but we are undeniably closer to the precipice than we have ever been as a nation since the Civil War (which never truly ended).

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

The US has been on the decline since the 80s. It's been propped up on a strong economy and tech domination, but it's losing its lead, and late stage capitalism is rotting it from the inside out. Reagan really got this crazy train going

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[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 129 points 4 days ago (10 children)

Plus, they still have slavery! In the constitution it says slavery is not allowed, "except when incarcerated". There are states where incarcerated people, convicted by a corrupt justiciary system, are forced to work without pay.

Plus, they just elected an autocratic hate and fear spreading idiot who is a puppet of Putin and does everything in his power to make the US an even worse oligarchy.

The world isn't just watching, the world is watching in extreme horror and disgust.

[–] Deway@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The world isn't just watching, the world is watching in extreme horror and disgust.

To be fair some are looking for ideas, the Americans are not the only ones with issues.

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[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 3 days ago

Don't worry, it's obvious from the inside too.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 101 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The American people voted a traitor into power that actively works for a hostile foreign power to destroy their country. And yet they can themselves patriots. Pathetic.

[–] TimboSlice@discuss.online 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well, I didn't vote for that bag of shit

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[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 26 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

To be fair a casual understanding of history shows they're practicing Christianity as it always has been

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[–] linkshulkdoingit69@lemmy.nz 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Application for asylum status when?

Once they start putting people in camps. We're a reactionary government. Proactive isn't really in the lexicon.

Although idk we might do the same, atleast the Canadian de-transition camps will be free.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 45 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

From where I sit on Canada’s western end, I honestly expect America to never have a legitimate/meaningful election again.

As in, over the next 4 years the GOP will erode the election system such that it becomes equally as meaningful as elections in Russia or North Korea - theatre and a thin veneer of legitimacy, but nothing more. That the GOP will work things such that they will never “lose” another election, making America a permanent one-party state, no matter how many people would want them out of power.

The scary thing is, Canada risks much the same if “PeePee” (Pierre Poilievre, of the Canadian Conservative Party) gets elected. The man is a snake-oil salesman who is always eager to tell you what the problem is and who is to blame, but who almost never had any solution for the problem. Even his “axe the tax” shtick is a “solution” in desperate need of a problem to solve, will hurt working-class Canadians far more than it will help them, and is only meant to reduce taxation on the wealthy.

[–] Alenalda@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It was decided in 2010 with "citizens united"

[–] knightly@pawb.social 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It was decided in 2000 with "Bush v. Gore"

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[–] tja@sh.itjust.works 60 points 4 days ago (5 children)

It's not just the US, but they are the fastest on this path

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I love that Gladiator, the 2000 film, showed us Commodus a rich emperor who was insanely obsessed with getting everyone's attention and the US has Elon Musk showing everyone that he wants to be at least knows as the best digital gladiator of video games while we have Nero/Trump watching the city burn.

It is like we are working on The Decline of an Empire: Greatest Hits! double gate fold album for 2025.

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