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When called out on it, they then doubled down on this dogshit take: https://archive.ph/quYyb

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[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 8 points 54 minutes ago

"worked in media at Fox" the TV Cabinet expands! Yikes.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 9 points 1 hour ago

Well thats a fuckin shame.

Good to know. Bye Proton.

[–] GreenSofaBed@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

I use Proton mail, any recommendations for alternatives?

[–] socsa@piefed.social 2 points 34 minutes ago

PGP or other PKI.

Don't trust people you've never met to give a shit about you

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Posteo

Keep a proton for situations where you can actually use the encryption. Most of the time the encryption is as useless as a VPN.

Also keep in mind all it is is pgp with a directory lookup. I think proton made their pgp directory lookup more open in the last few years, so it may not have any real benefits.

[–] TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world 32 points 2 hours ago

Well I no longer will be recommending proton to people. Can't trust anyone this stupid with privacy.

[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 7 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

This wouldn't have anything to do with US internet restrictions would it? Like how multiple states place age verification on porn sites? Like how more restrictions would pop up in a MAGA admin to keep it "safe".

That wouldn't benefit Proton at all now would it? They don't serve a product that would circumvent those restrictions right? A product they sell?

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

If you just want to watch porn, free protonvpn is enough.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 49 minutes ago

The privacy vulnerability in a VPN service is the VPN provider. There have always been suspicions that some of these companies are involved with state agencies and you've got Proton's CEO kissing the fascist ring, figure it out.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 35 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Just canceled my subscription and let them know in the comments it was because of this.

[–] modus@lemmy.world 14 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's a shame. As soon as my current VPN ran out, I was going to give them some money. I guess he should have kept his MAGA thoughts to himself.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 46 minutes ago

Same, especially because I can't get on Pornhub without one anymore!

Definitely no conflict of interest from this chode.

[–] atmur@lemmy.world 63 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I can deal with Andy Yen being a dumbass in his own time, but the official Proton reddit account doubling down on this shit is over the line for me.

I literally just renewed for 2 years a couple days ago. I will be looking for alternatives and hopefully I can get a partial refund or something.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 31 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Was about to pay for proton. Not now

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[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Do you happen to know any alternatives for their email? Some security guy on YouTube was talking about how their email aliasing is better because if you lose a single email/password combo, you're not subject to any other breaches.

I mean I already use a password manager since I adopted KeePass like 15 years ago and use Bitwarden now, but I still like that concept.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 hour ago

Posteo or tuta or fastmail.

Depends on if anyone you message uses proton. If they do, you can always get their pgp key and save it to thunderbird. If nobody you know uses proton, there is no benefit to their service over the above.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 hours ago

I have heard Tuta is good.

[–] glitchead@programming.dev 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

ivpn and Tutanota for email/calendar/contacts. And honestly, if you're comfortable with self hosting your own stuff, Nextcloud can manage your files, calendar, contacts and all kinds of other stuff.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I wouldn't trust tuta necessarily..not that they are bad, just that I think their account retention is weaksauce.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 64 points 4 hours ago

Mentioning that Democrats are trash on dealing with corporations is just fine. Good, even.

Lying through your god damn teeth that Republicans are going to do anything other than lie to gain more leverage for their jihad to fuck over their fellow man is delusional at best.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Fuck. I was procrastinating on buying into their VPN and drive service to de-googlify. Looks like that's off the menu and I am deleting all my burner accounts now. Fucking bruh.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Mullvad is better and cheaper VPN

Sync, icedrive, filenio, etc are fine storage options

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 54 minutes ago* (last edited 54 minutes ago)

Yeah, it was more convenient to have a "all under one roof" approach with email and stuff too, which is why i wanted to switch... But ain't gonna touch that dumpster fire for sure.

[–] kryptonidas@lemmings.world 15 points 3 hours ago

I was thinking about perhaps moving things to Proton, being European and all, and touting privacy etc. Looks like that won’t happen.

[–] Sabre363@sh.itjust.works 130 points 5 hours ago (6 children)

Getting real fuckin tired of having to always find 'alternatives'. Can't yall rich bastards just stop being weird and be content with making good products. Just cause you have money, doesn't mean you need to have a public opinion on anything, ever

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 54 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

This is what I feel is the core problem of out-of-bounds capitalism today. 50-80 years ago there were fabulously wealthy people as well, but they were taxed out the wazoo and were still fabulously wealthy. And even though every corporation's goal is, and always has been, to make profit, it feels as if it's gone from "profit" to "maximum possible profit at ALL costs, including the damnation of life on the planet".

We have plenty of examples of hypercapitalism destroying us in fiction (cyberpunk etc.) but our current reality is really really close to that hellscape. In some ways it's actually worse because of the insidiousness and banality of the evil that lords over us daily.

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[–] ZeroCool@slrpnk.net 147 points 5 hours ago (9 children)

People forget that the current antitrust actions against Big Tech were started under the first Trump admin.

And you seem to have forgotten that Trump's Attorney General William Barr tried to force backdoors in encryption.

So shut the fuck up Andy, you're out of your element.

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[–] ctag@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 hours ago

Now's probably not a bad time to mention I've used fastmail for years and it's great.

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