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I cannot play on time. Not in terms of missing beats, or losing the click in the middle of a song, but in that my timing is almost always off. I compared my played notes to the click in the DAW, and I'm usually rushing, sometimes by 30-40ms. I remember Adam Neely said once that 10ms is barely acceptable, so yeah.

I tried dividing the distance between clicks in my head, doubling the metronome tempo, moving with the beat, consciously conpensating for the rush, nothing helped. Therefore, my questions - how's your timing doing? What can I do to improve mine?

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[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Start slow, metronome at 65bpm. Put your pick on a string and play open string arpeggios, down-up-down-up with the click. Each time, reset your pick on the next string before plucking through. Aim for consistent tone quality and volume.

When you're satisfied, move up to 75bpm and repeat, moving up in tempo over time. If you make a mistake, restart. If you make two mistakes, back up and do it slower again.

Speed is not the goal. Tone and timing are the goals, training your pick hand to relax and your mind and body to feel the beat.

Once you get to around 90 bpm, go back down to 65 and start playing eighth notes. Follow the steps from above.

This should take you a week or more to complete. Then go up into higher tempos. Every mistake, roll back 5bpm

You can also try various arpeggios patterns and string combinations.

Good luck!

[–] macroplastic@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

This, but then after you can do this solidly start halving the click tempo while still playing at the same speed so you get 1 click per 2 beats, bar, 2 bars, 4 bars etc.

Benny Greb (well regarded German drummer with a lot of instructional content) has a free metronome app for this purpose called Gap click that may be helpful, he argues for this as an essential exercise in developing your internal sense of time.

[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

Oh I'm getting that app

[–] Motorheadbanger@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Why 65 bpm specifically? Why not start with 100-120 and go down in tempo, I think it woukd be easier this way

[–] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Because you want ample time to set your pick. Because it's harder than your way. At such low speeds it takes much more focus and your wrist and hand will be dying to play faster when you can actually relax. (this is a tense exercise at this speed!)

Speed isn't your friend. If you can't do it slow then you can't do it fast. Is it boring as hell? Yep. Do you want to be make progress and be better at your instrument? Then just do it for a few minutes. My teacher says quit any exercise after five minutes if I really can't stomach it. The key is coming back to it again tomorrow and the next day, not mastering it in one sitting.

This specific exercise will also train your hand for even tone and pick pressure.

This is how bluegrass guitar and mandolin players train from the beginning.

[–] Motorheadbanger@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Alright, thank you

[–] Elros@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Chase the sound you are looking for. That's pretty much my generic advise for any music related question. Being aware of what you want to change is 90% percent of the battle. The rest is changing technique, gear, etc. subtly or drastically to get there. This may be enough for the problem to naturally fix itself.

More specifically, I find that it is all about feeling the music with your whole self. "No shit", you say. Stay with me for a second and I will get to what I mean. I'm primarily a drummer, so you'll have to adapt my advise to guitar. When I am playing something a little more chill and I want to play behind the beat, I lean back (so I am further away) just a bit. If I have time in between beats, I make exaggerated, almost showy, movements that don't let me come in early. The trick is to keep the flow regardless of whether I'm hitting the drum that beat or not. Perhaps you have to fix your posture and keep your pick hand moving bigger movements. When the big movements aren't practical, picture it in your mind instead. If you have an entrance, start the movements a few beats early.

When I want to play on the beat or ahead of it, I lean forward and pump myself up mentally. With the change in posture and mindset, I am a totally different person. Part of it could be that being just a bit closer means I hit a few milliseconds earlier with the same motions, though I think it is more mental. The trick here is that my body is relaxed either way and I keep the fluid motions.

Back to my thesis: I bet you are focusing too hard on the technical aspect of what you are playing and not feeling the vibe the song is supposed to have. I think of it as the difference between reading the lines in a script versus becoming the character. You have to feel the emotions you are trying to express with the guitar.

Also, make sure your whole body stays relaxed. I can't stress that enough. Try turning your brain off, connecting visually with band mates or listeners, try to see the forest instead of just the tree in front of you, and smell some roses. Just really feel the song.

Forgive me for all the metaphors. I hope this helps.

[–] Motorheadbanger@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

I get what you're saying, but there's no song in question. Otherwise, good stuff, thank you

[–] Marvelicious@fedia.io 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"10ms is barely acceptable" 🤣 I'm sorry, but that's the funniest thing I've read so far today. Do you realize how little of the music you hear on a daily basis meets that criteria?

[–] Motorheadbanger@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure, not that relevant to my question though

[–] Marvelicious@fedia.io 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Let me put it a different way: your premise was that a level of precision with less than 10ms of variance is necessary. I'm saying that much of the library of recorded music demonstrates that this is not the case.

If your premise is simply, "I'd like to be more precise with my timing," then by all means. It sounds like you're already doing the right thing though: lots of practice with a click track. There's not really a shortcut to forcing your synapses to fire with that level of precision, you just have to keep doing it.

There's an old joke about someone in New York asking for directions... "How do you get to the Met?" "Practice"

[–] Motorheadbanger@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks, appreciate it

[–] ljoe@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Might be worth checking the latency and error compensation settings in your DAW. Try a loop pedal or get a friend to critic your playing. Shouldn't blame our tools but in this case could be your playing fine but the DAW is out?

[–] Motorheadbanger@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

I thought about it, but the inconsistency on display betrays sloppy timing anyway

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Get some sticks and a practice pad if you don't have access to a drum kit and learn some rudiments.

Bare in mind that you don't always need to be playing exactly on the beat and that notes in between the main ones are often pushed or pulled a little depending on what the song needs. Looking at a computer screen isn't that helpful to me, how does it sound?

[–] Motorheadbanger@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It sounds like half a dozen newborn deer on the pavement trying to walk

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Better than three sneakers in a dryer, right?

[–] Motorheadbanger@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Better. Because it's faster