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hypothetically, let's say you were tasked with simplifying the English language. how would you go about doing that, and why?

to start with an easy one, the first thing I would do is eliminate silent letters from all words and make it so no letters share sounds. for example, example would become exampel. then, because x would no longer be around or at least wouldn't have that sound, ekzampel. I would also consider eliminating mulit-letter sounds like ch, and replacing them with single characters (probably the ones that got removed).

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[–] thirdBreakfast@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

A lot of these answers are working towards the idea of having consistent grapheme (letter or letter combo) to sound (phoneme) relationships. ie the letter 'a' would always represent the same sound, and that sound would always be represented by the letter 'a'. This is called ideal phonemic orthography.

English has whatever the opposite of phonemic orthography is; depending on your accent, the letter 'a' has about 7 sounds the most common being 'o' as in 'what'. It's extremely unhelpful when teaching kids to read English.

Languages seem to pick up a lot of cruft over time as they grow, absorb loanwords and just change because language, so you usually only move towards phonemic orthography with some deliberate act, usually by the government.

An example might be Indonesia really wanting a national language to tie a very diverse population together after the second world war. I think they still have a government department who makes pronouncements about the language. The result of this is you could learn to correctly pronounce Indonesian in about 10 minutes, and read an Indonesian newspaper to a native speaker and it would be almost entirely intelligible to them even though you didn't know the meaning of what you were reading.

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 2 points 10 hours ago

didn't know there was a word for it but yeah, that's exactly what I had in mind. I'd also want to fix some grammar rules but grammar barely matters anyway (I'm from east texas, grammar is for talking to people who don't know me well enough to decode my slurring).

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

You should read Highly Irregular. It’s a book about the history of the English language. It explains how and why the language was corrupted by multiple changes in administration text, the great vowel shift, and the printing press. It makes perfect sense of why the language makes no sense.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Go read 1984 sometime. It includes a blueprint for “simplifying” English.

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 1 points 10 hours ago

cool but that's not relevant to the post at all

[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 1 points 13 hours ago

One common used approach is to limit the total amount of words. When a complex word is needed, a simpler explanation is used instead. Randall Munroe (xkcd) did this for his book "Thing Explainer": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing_Explainer He only used the 1000 most common words in English to write his book.

There is also Simple English Wikipedia, where people attempt to explain stuff for people with a low reading level. That way they can improve their reading and knowledge base, which is honestly such a cool thing to have in this world. https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

[–] Darukhnarn@feddit.org 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Isn’t English already pretty simple as languages go?

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 1 points 11 hours ago

hell no we're just used to it. it could definitely be worse but if you look closer you'll see and kinds of fucked up grammar rules and unnecessary letters.

[–] FundMECFS@slrpnk.net 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

Remove the letter “c”.

space, face, place etc. replace with “s” as it makes the “s” sound

score, scum etc. replace with “k” as it makes the “k” sound

Also what is the point of the letter “q” if it’s only followed by “u”, make the letter “q” mean “qu” to save space.

replace “ph” with “f”.

raplace instances or “y” where it makes the same sound as “i” with “i”.

Ie. the famous Bakunin quote: "In antiquity slaves were, in all honesty called slaves. In the middle ages, they took the name of serfs. Nowadays they are called wage earners." ~ Mikhail Bakunin

would become “In antiqiti slaves were, in all honesti, kalled slaves. In the middle ages, they took the name of serfs. Nowadays they are kalled wage earners.”

[–] Ziro427@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I wish to direct you to the shavian alphabet: https://shavian.info/

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 1 points 10 hours ago
[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I'd keep c around for the ch sound, like Italian (I think they do that, anyway)

[–] FundMECFS@slrpnk.net 1 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Or remove the letter “c” as it is currently used and replace instances of “ch” with “c”.

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 2 points 18 hours ago

that's what I was thinking too towards the end but forgot to mention it specifically. I think that's the best thing to do with the unnecessary letters as it reduces the need for letter combinations.

[–] urata@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I've thought things like what you're saying. Couldn't you just spell it e-k-z-a-m-p-l? I don't think there is an e sound in there.

How would you handle when to use the long and short sounds for vowels? For example how would you differentiate between the word lick and like. Would you just have more vowels or put symbols above them? Personally I like using multiple vowels in a row to make different sounds like in the word sound. I would come up with a standard way of doing those so you would spell town t-o-u-n.

People pronounce things differently, so you'd really be forcing pronunciations if you reworked the language. Like Some people actually pronounce egg with an e sound but most people use a long a sound. Also now that I think of it I think I pronounce example wore like e-g-z-a-m-p-l.

[–] Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz 2 points 18 hours ago

Lick -> Lik Like -> Laik

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 1 points 18 hours ago

that spelling of example would work too. I was trying to make the letters show a ek-zam-pel pronunciation, but I'm not sure if the e is necessary.

lick and like could be lik (no c or silent letters) and lyk (no silent letters and the I sound used replaced with a y). I agree that multi-vowel sounds (oo) should stay around, but I think some could be replaced such as ee, which I would represent with a single I similar to Spanish. toun looks good.

I also pronounce it that way, what I was trying to do was represent the same sounds in a way that is simpler to read. realistically people will still pronounce things however they want and with whatever accent they have, but it will be easier to sound an unfamiliar word out or to determine how a word should be written if you've only heard it out loud and not written down.

[–] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 19 hours ago

No more consonants. Only vowels.

Oooooeuuuueoooo