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Not my title! I do think we are being listened to. And location tracked. And it's being passed on to advertisers. Is it apple though? Probably not is my take away from this article, but I don't trust plenty of others, and apple still does

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[–] irotsoma@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Two ways to process voice, on device or on server. Device-based solutions either are very basic and just detect differences between words or need training data based on your voice or they need lots of processing power for more generalized voice recognition. So is your battery draining and phone is often hot because an app is keeping the mic on and keeping the phone from slowing the processor? Other option is to stream the data to the server. This would also increase battery usage as the phone can't sleep, but might not be as noticeable, but more evident would be your phone using a lot more bandwidth than is reasonable while you aren't actively using it.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

They are absolutely listening. This is very easy to test. Speak around a Google or Amazon or Apple device, and start talking about things you would never buy, never need, have never looked up, and is completely irrelevant for your demographic. You’ll get ads for it anyway by the end of the day or week.

Listen to the Big Tech comments to press and congressional testimony very carefully. They always say something like, ‘Facebook is not spying on your microphone.’ They’re always very carefully wording it as the parent company is not listening to your devices. But they absolutely know either one of their subsidiaries or their partners are listening to your microphone, and feeding the data to them.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago

Aw jeez not this again.

[–] simple@lemm.ee 136 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Apps listening to your mic to give you targeted ads is an urban legend. There's tools to see which apps listen to you and there isn't any evidence that any of the popular stuff ever open the microphone (unless you're in a call or something). If you're too worried about it, you can always turn off the mic permission for the app.

The ads are actually coming from other ways of tracking you like browser fingerprinting to follow what things you browse and build a profile on what you like/are interested in.

See also EFF's article on it: https://www.digitalrightsbytes.org/topics/is-my-phone-listening-to-me

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 59 points 1 week ago (1 children)

agreed. online tracking is so good it just seems like they're listening to you.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Instagram showed me an ad for a medical condition I only discussed out loud, in person, in my doctors office.

Instagram was immediately uninstalled that day.

[–] Darorad@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Other methods of data collection can be scarily effective. Stores have identified people were pregnant before they knew.

Very likely they identified you as someone that could have that condition, and you noticing the ads after talking to your doctor is a form of recency bias.

You can collect almost all the same data from traditional surveillance methods. Collecting and processing mocrophone data just isn't effective enough to make up for the massively increased costs from processing it.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (7 children)

It displayed the ad before I could get home and research it. It had only been discussed out loud and in person.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 14 points 1 week ago

There’s always other signs.

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[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] 4am@lemm.ee 19 points 1 week ago

We live in an age where the voice can be processed locally on the phone (we’ve had on-device speech-to-text since the late 90s…), and it’s already listening for a wake word, meaning mic is always hot. It doesn’t need to be streamed and use bandwidth; it can fire off 4K of JSON every few hours and relay more than enough information.

Just program whole dictionary of key phrases and scan the wake word buffer like you are already doing. Easy, stealthy, encrypted. Every voice assistant from a major tech company could (and likely IS) doing this.

This also provides ample opportunity for domestic (or even foreign!) spying my state actors, too.

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why wouldn't you think this? There is no system in place for monitoring those companies, nor is there any type of punishment for if they were to be proven to be doing so. While on the other hand, there are piles of money to be made from advertisers for allowing exactly that to happen.

I've personally had things come up as being advertised to me after being NEAR people talking about those items, and I have seen several videos where people show this effect in action.

Frequency illusion is real, but is not reliable enough to repeat over and over, back to back, unlike the advertising.

When, ever, have the capitalist companies prioritized morality over money? Never.

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[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't either hut the alternative is much worst in my opinion. It would mean the algorithms are so advanced they are predicting conversations instead of listening to them.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Ads aren't why you should be concerned about apps w/ microphone access...

Where exactly are you getting the idea that this belief is widespread?

[–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I have heard it repeated several times. It's based on how virtual assistants are allowed to listen over your mic for keywords, applications like Facebook requesting full microphone access, and people with stories of getting ads for things after having a conversation about the same.

The third could be a form of recency bias; I just learned about this, and now I see it everywhere. Also, it's easy to know who is in your circle, and items you recently searched could be advertised to your friends. I saw this by getting sudden ads for handguns after getting an Amazon link from my gun crazy friend.

[–] Eeyore_Syndrome@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Like people allowing google Gemini to always listen for permanent background Shazaam functionality and and having surprised Pikachu faces lol.

as I posted this, found this Apple law suit for Snooping Siri post on my feed lol.

Ugh and Google fingerprinting free for all Feb 2025

me, a GrapheneOS user 😈🙈🙉🙊

[–] DoctorWhookah@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I saw it happen about 3 years ago. I mentioned Omega watches to my buddy who had somehow lived to 50 w/o ever hearing the name. Later that same day there was a Facebook ad for Omega on his Samsung phone.

[–] Spuddlesv2@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

Yep me too. Wife was adamant her phone was spying on her so we decided to test it by talking about Lexus cars (having chosen cars because at the time she was getting no car ads anywhere, had no interest in cars, and she had never heard of the brand before so certainly hadn’t searched for it). A few hours later, her Facebook feed was full of Lexus ads. 100%.

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[–] Olap@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Not my title, as I already said. But anecdata backs this up ime. Go ask your parents for a giggle, see what they say

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] 4am@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Apple is the one who got caught so far

If you think Google, Amazon, Meta, Microsoft, Samsung et al aren’t doing this, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago

Did yall read the article?

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 6 points 1 week ago

I’ll buy-t. What did Apple get caught doing that these other companies haven’t got caught doing?

Edit: Oh, the Siri settlement. The article linked argues against the claim of it being used for advertising, though.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 1 week ago

Ok? I didn't say differently. OP said

Is it apple though? Probably not is my take away from this article, but I don't trust plenty of others, and apple still does

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org -1 points 1 week ago (13 children)

battery life would fall through the floor if they did spy

[–] Darorad@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Yeah, there's just more effective methods to get essentially the same data.

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