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If it is common knowledge that shutting a garage door with a running ICE vehicle inside will kill you, why do you think so many people think 1 billion ICE vehicles aren't bad in the atmosphere? (lemmy.world)

submitted 5 days ago by LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

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"But tires"

Ban all vehicles over 5000lbs to start without a specialized license and extremely heavy fees to have them. EVs are dropping in weight daily, ICE vehicles have been increasing in weight to dodge policies. One is a means to an end, the other is a means to profit.

Profit for few vs humanity's existance.. which should we choose?

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[–] TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Because those have nothing to do with each other. You can also drown in your bathtub. That doesn't mean water falling from the sky is an instant drowning. Quantity, method of exposure and context matter a lot when gauging how dangerous something can be.

ICE exhaust is poisonous, it's significantly less poisonous when diluted by a large chunk of atmosphere. How much so isn't a simple question, and it becomes much harder for the average person when it's health effects are delayed for years to decades and those effects often have comorbidities with other risky behavior.

This is exactly why education is important, these things aren't actually that apparent after we cleaned up some of the more obvious consequences from the start of the industrial revolution.

[–] boletus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I like to think most people, at least where I live, know cars burn up the planet. Problem is most can't afford a $50k AUD EV, even on finance, but a 2011 Hyundai shit box or a 2005 Toyota hilux is less than $10k.

Oh also, cars are being made to be replaced within a few years. Cost and build quality of modern vehicles pushes me away from buying an EV. Hopefully in the future, they become more ubiquitous, cheaper, and we can solve the problem of handling old batteries and stability.

[–] navi@lemmy.tespia.org 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Buy a 2016 shitbox eGulf or a Volt instead. No more gas bills.

[–] boletus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

Not sure about the egulf, but the Volt in Australia is a Holden badge and I am pretty sure is a hybrid. The cheapest you can get here is a Nissan leaf, which I honestly had no idea existed until now.

Regardless, all manufacturers are adding electric to a lot of their range, as the years go, they'll be cheaper second hand and I bet that's when adoption will sky-rocket.

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[–] kugel7c@feddit.org 3 points 4 days ago

Both are primarily a means for profit, as most tasks accomplished with a car are more reasonably done a different way. The efficiency of road based motorised transport is so abysmal that it almost doesn't make sense.

The only reason we rely on it currently to such an extend is because our entire economy is highly irrational, except if seen from a supremely privileged point of view.

[–] Jolteon@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

It's not the people don't think cars are bad for the environment. It's that people consider the nebulous cost to be worth the short-term benefit of actually being able to get places.

[–] TokenEffort@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I think ~~$1000~~ $600 flat one time is definitely worth being able to get places via escooter. No gas, no insurance, no loans or leases (with the exception of Unagi scooters which are like $80 a month). Oh and riding boosts coordination while also not trapping you in a stressful metal box. One costs way less, is better for your physical and mental health, is easy to park in crowded places, but everyone prefers the opposite lol

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

What's a "butt tire"?

[–] navi@lemmy.tespia.org 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Tires are a big pollutant (from wearing them down) and anti-EV people often day EVs weigh More, thus wear tires more, cancelling out any environmental benefits.

A bit forced and hogwash IMO.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Tire wear is a huge cause of particle pollution, but the wear depends on the driver right foot.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

One of the main reasons people use to say EVs are bad is that they currently weigh more than ICE vehicles. (Slowly being fixed transitioning to solid state batteries and finding ways to safely minimize weight). The extra weight means tires would wear out faster and tires put plastics into the environment.

Putting weight restrictions on vehicles would curb this and accelerate people transitioning to lighter vehicles.

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 1 points 5 days ago (16 children)

it's not that people think cars aren't contributing, it's that things like factories are so much of a bigger deal that the cars won't make a difference.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Are they? Pretty sure transportation is a big part of CO2 emissions.

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

they do produce a lot of CO2, but other things produce so much more (and can be fixed without the cost being passed entirely onto regular people who can't afford the car they already have) that cars are a non-issue. yes the number is big, but other numbers like factories are bigger by so much that the cars' number is actually really small in comparison. it isn't your fault, it is the fault of things like factories. you are being manipulated by rich people who don't want to spend an extra 13 cents per item to save the planet, so they convince you to focus on your car instead of their factories.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 5 days ago

Okay here's the data on it. Factories are definitely guilty as fuck, but cars aren't guilt-free, which is why many parts of the world need to get on with public transport. I can focus on more than one thing, including how car transportation is definitely not a non-problem.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Just start sabotaging the ~~manufactorums~~ factories.

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