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Suck it micro USB, mini USB, and lightning! πŸͺ«πŸ”‹

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 104 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Now for those swappable batteries

[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 39 points 5 days ago (15 children)

Including cars.

Drive in, swap non-proprietary batteries with an autoloader, drive out. Done.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 16 points 5 days ago (10 children)

Yes and no. No need to hot swap massive EV batteries. Rapid is fast enough. But yes so the EV can be upgraded. The batteries go obsolete quicker than they degrade. So make it so we can swap the batteries and keep the rest running. In fact, just right-to-repair the whole car. In fact, the whole everything!

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[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This sounds great until you've had to repair an old car.

Everything rusts, warps, etc. The same things that make it hard to change your brakes will make it hard to change the battery pack, and you're expecting a robot to do it for you (and fast!).

There were companies built on this idea. I think they've all gone under at this point.

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[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

That is something that I wish would come true. This would also open EVs to the industry in some new ways. Currently it kinda sucks if you have machines that have to be able to run the whole day without big interruptions. When you're able to just swap the batteries in like 5 Minutes this machines don't have to rely on fossil fuels that much and are open to be replaced by electric ones.

What I'm thinking about are machines like tractors for farming. During the summer it happens that they are running for 8+ hours without interruptions. Building a battery this big will be quite challengening. However, if you're able to swap out the batteries after like 2 hours and then continue with work you effectively solved one of the biggest problems with not that much of a hassle.

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[–] tht@social.pwned.page 28 points 5 days ago

That's actually the next goal

[–] Fishamatician@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

And make all power tool batteries compatible.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 39 points 5 days ago

USA checking in.

Just bought a new USB-C charging beard trimmer on clearance.

Feels good, man.

Thamks if EU helped.

[–] tht@social.pwned.page 46 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Thx EU, I live in the the land of the fee but will benefit from you forcing apple to be compatible.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Don't buy Apple to be compatible.

[–] tht@social.pwned.page 13 points 5 days ago

Just don't buy apple

[–] Retrograde@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

Don't buy Apple ~~to be compatible~~.

Couldn't agree more mate

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[–] Walican132@lemmy.today 109 points 6 days ago (45 children)

My only concern with this law, is that what happens when USBC is no longer the best option. Idk how to express what I’m saying but what if USB-G ends up being 1000x as fast. Does this law allow for chargers to evolve and if so, how? I admit I haven’t looked into this but I’ve been wondering about it.

I’m 99% wireless these days so I wouldn’t be surprised if chorded chargers are largely on their way out, but I’m still curious.

[–] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 325 points 6 days ago (8 children)

Manufacturers are allowed to add supplementary charging standards on top of USB-C PD, and the commission is required to review the landscape every 5 years to see if a new technology is better than USB-C that should be adopted in the future

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv%3AOJ.L_.2022.315.01.0030.01.ENG&toc=OJ%3AL%3A2022%3A315%3ATOC

[–] Walican132@lemmy.today 121 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Awesome! I knew by commenting someone educated would come along. Thank you very much.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's like when I make it rain or snow by washing my vehicle! I'm giving you part of the credit for it being future-focused...

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[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 19 points 6 days ago

And they're using recommendations from the USB consortium, which is comprised of all the large manufacturers in the world, so it should always be up to date during the review process.

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[–] abfarid@startrek.website 51 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (29 children)

USB-C doesn't have speeds, it's just a connector type. USB 1, 2, 3-3.2, 4 etc. is the protocol responsible for speed. You can have a USB-C connector with any implementation (except maybe USB 1). It can even do DisplayPort stuff.
So for USB-C to become irrelevant we need to come up with a better connector form factor. Which is unlikely to happen soon. But also, same thing happened with USB-B Micro connector (colloquially called micro USB), it was designated as a standard (but Apple managed to get an exemption) and manufacturers had no issues moving to a better connector, which is USB-C.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)

On the downside, you can’t tell what the port supports by just looking at it.

[–] MycelialMass@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago (5 children)
[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 26 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Even with this graphic, I still don't know what they support. Is circle-20 also 20gbps? What is the speed when there's no number? Do the non-DP ones not support displays at all? And there appears to be no such thing as USB4-DP?

And good luck getting your grandmother to identify any of this over the phone. "Is it marked SS-subway diagram-20, or circle-20-subwaydiagram? Yes it's etched gray on slightly different gray, go put on your strongest glasses first, grandma."

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 31 points 6 days ago (6 children)

The plug will be the same, bet money. There are already several sorts of USB-C. And think on this, the USB-A has had the same shape for going on 30-years.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago (12 children)

This, USB-C is just the connector shape. USB-A is the standard square plug everyone knows, USB-B has several different ends, some more well known than others. The full sized "printer/hub" one, mini-B and micro-B which more people know. USB-A to A cables aren't common, more akin to an Ethernet crossover cable, so you're almost always going to see one of the B connectors.

USB-C is just the newest plug design, the actual cable and communication protocols have changed numerous times over the decades. USB-C might have been introduced alongside USB 3.0 and the massive increase in charging and data speeds with the new standard, but they are not exclusive.

The most obvious example is probably the iPhone 15 and 16, both had a USB-C plug, but the devices only supported USB 2.0 protocols.

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[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If you bothered to read the article, you'd notice that the charger was chosen by the manufacturers a decade ago in a summons by the European commission. If Apple had complied to do what they agreed to do back then, this law wouldn't exist. But they got whiny and litigious. So, instead of an at will standardization program, the EU decided to make it mandatory by law, to shut Apple up, and anyone else who wanted to forcibly refuse to comply. The cool thing about European law is that nothing is written in stone. Not even constitutions are considered sacred, unlike in the Americas, and can be changed at any point or amended as long as proper procedures are followed. There's nothing, ever, preventing the EU from calling another commission of tech companies to choose a new charger, if a better one ever shows up.

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 90 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Eu once again doing more to improve my life than my own government (tax holiday).

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 33 points 5 days ago

Kudos to the EU, end the waste.

[–] ad_on_is@lemm.ee 41 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Can we bring back the charging as well, and not just the USB cable... Oh, and while you're at it, screws instead of glue, to replace batteries would be awesome.

Thx!

[–] RacerX@lemm.ee 45 points 5 days ago (4 children)

There's a rule coming into effect in 2027 that enforces user replaceable batteries for devices in the EU. https://www.pcmag.com/news/eu-smartphones-must-have-user-replaceable-batteries-by-2027

[–] ad_on_is@lemm.ee 18 points 5 days ago (5 children)

while 2027 is better than nothing, I still wonder why it took them so long. Glue in smartphones has been around for probably a decade now.

Also, I think, anything that has a battery, should be user replacable... even teeny-tiny earbuds.

[–] ThomasCrappersGhost@feddit.uk 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

To allow the manufacturers to adapt and phase out?

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

no keep the glue please. I love that my phone's back just came off on its own just because it was hot outside and the glue melted away. it was fun and exciting!

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[–] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 44 points 6 days ago (6 children)

The benefit is that by being standardized, there will be less proprietary cords and adapters. And the capability of USB-C should be adequate for sometime with the power and data transfer.

One issue, is that not all USBC cords are of the same quality. I found this recently when trying to find a cord that can be used for an external SSD, and video for a monitor. Some cords worked, the rest did not. All the cords could be used for charging, but after that, all bets are off.

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 54 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Please do this for things like rechargeable electric shavers and toothbrushes as well.

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[–] arc@lemm.ee 26 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (18 children)

While this is good news, the likes of Apple will still find ways to be "compliant" while still being total assholes about it. e.g. the device might charge with USB C but they'll gimp the data transfer rates on non-pro phones. And they'll do the same when mandates about repairability come in - all of a sudden the battery will have a bunch of expensive DRM'd up the ass circuitry attached to it that will cripple the phone if its not recognized or registered by one of their techs and means Apple can kill old phones by being "out of stock" of the battery.

This is absolutely true,however the EU has proven to be not someone you mess with. Apple has already tried shenanigans to stop side loading and got beaten by the EU to comply with the rules.

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Now if only we can standardize cables or at least labeling. We went from everything working wherever it would plugin to everything plugging in but who knows if it will work

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[–] uis@lemm.ee 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Only suck it lightning. It still allows standard chargers like micro USB and mini USB

[–] sockenklaus@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Are you sure? The EU parliament explicitly mentions USB C as the new mandatory standard.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX%3A32022L2380

USB C is mentioned in annex Ia and as an example in articles 11 and 12. As I understand previous articles, it is possible to use other standards that satisfy citeria from article 9.

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[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 24 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Good πŸ‘ I just hope nothing replaces USB-C anytime soon

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[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 11 points 5 days ago

With the iPhone 14 no longer being sold the specs of the rumored SE 2025 make a lot more sense.

[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (8 children)

They should specified speeds too. I think Apple gimps usb c charging speeds

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