Politics aside. The court is not going to grant bail to anyone accused of first degree murder who is a flight risk. And given the current narrative seems to be that he shot a man in NYC and was found several states away I'd say they'd consider him a flight risk.
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Last I read, he has not requested bail. They wouldn't let him out, anyway, and he's smart enough that he knows it--he attacked the ruling class and they want to make an example of him.
I think you mean to say he allegedly attacked the ruling class. That whole pesky innocent until proven guilty thing, it's so irritating.
The has yet to prove their case, all we got so far is some vague suggestions of evidence and heavy media narrative weaving
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Making bail is the least of his concerns in there. He will be lucky if he doesn't get "Epstein'd".
they better hire someone better than the guy who killed Epstein then. Should they fail enough to leave even a scent of foul play I bet the gates will open to many copycats.
nothing does more for a movement than a martyr.
His haircut and shave are signs the other prisoners are sending to the guards that this man is protected and not to fuck with him.
The only resource I can find about this phenomenon is a threads discussion about Luigi. You wouldn't happen to have an alternate source, would you?
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If his trial starts going his way, he definitely will.
We do have an wild tradition of suicide in this country when people are causing owner class problems
The ruling class doesn't want him martyred but they want him killed so very much.
My bets are he is given a life sentence with a groomed jury and he is extrajudicially executed in prison by an unknown agent.
groomed jury
Oh you'd be surprised. There's a lot of people that have the "Murder is Murder" mindset, its not hard to find those and convene a jury.
what's funny is that since his motive was based on Brian killing people through executive actions that will come into play for those "murder is murder" people.
If murder is murder, then why wasn't Brian brought to justice before this unfortunate event? Also, why aren't his accomplices in UHC not brought to justice today?
He's still going to jail, he's going to lose and he knows that....but the case will be streamed and Luigi and his lawyers will pose the message not to the jury, but to the public.
he lost the battle so that we can fight the war.
You got to wait for the trial. Throughout history, but especially this year, we've seen many famous trials where the cops blatantly lied about evidence of course in press reports as they often do but also in court on the stand under oath. Just because you heard it doesn't mean it's true. Just because someone told you they have evidence of something, doesn't mean they do.
Those same people conveniently refuse to consider murder with a con (pay us now for Healthcare when you inevitably get sick) and and pen (lol we were lying thanks for all the money go die now) to be murder.
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I expect he will be denied bail if they can show the evidence against him is strong enough. Even if you have enough money, that’s just not a guarantee. They don’t set the bail at $50mn or something, it’s just not an option offered.
The boring but probably correct answer is he never breathes free air again, and his best case scenario is avoiding the death penalty.
his best case scenario is avoiding the death penalty.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't the jury decide not to convict him and he'd be a free man? I've read that in some places at least. Or is there a mechanism to prevent that?
It’s theoretically possible but it requires a justice system that is actually blind. A justice system that didn’t just assign him a judge who’s married to a dude that was a former executive at a pfizer and still holds hundreds of thousands of dollars in healthcare companies, which apparently is something that she feels doesn’t require her to recuse herself even given the stature of this case
The jury selection process will be rigorous and will ensure that the people sitting on the panel are sympathetic to capitalists
It does seem they'll try to use his case as a deterrent to anyone thinking about following in his footsteps. I think they will be harsh and he'll be made into a martyr. The religious imagery of Saint Luigi may be apt and more than just a meme.
Historically speaking, yes. He will be convicted and executed as a message. The message to the rich is that the justice system ~~they've~~ we've bought and paid for has their back. To the rest of us it's a message about the cost of going after the wealthy. Thing is, the more they fuck the rest of us over, the more it's a cost worth paying. But they are trying to keep us in line.
Karen Friedman Agnifilo is an absolute pro who worked in the system for 30 years, I think he's in very capable hands and if its unduly stacked against in him, I gurantee she will be very vocal about that publicly and she has a massive platform inside and outside the courtroom since she's an original player in the Meidas Touch Network which is fantastic.
There's no other lawyer or person in general I would trust more than her for something life or death like this
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They are gonna bribe and threaten this jury like we've never seen before.
They won't need to. If the jury is not unanimous, they can keep trying the case. Infinitely.
That might happen but is very unlikely. Jury selection is done by both sides so it's very unlikely you'd get a jury united in deciding not to convict him.
However the Supreme Court ruled that jury verdicts have to be unanimous. It is very possible that the jury is unable to reach a unanimous verdict if 1 or more jurors refuse to convict. If this happens it would be a mistrial, and the case would be retired with a new jury. In theory this could keep happening until either a unanimous verdict is reached by a jury or a judge decides that this should not be retried as its been tried multiple times without outcome.
Another key element will be his defense which could lead to him getting a not guilty verdict. The only real defense as a mitigation would be insanity. Otherwise it seems unlikely (albeit possible) that it's the wrong man.
The most likely scenario is a jury unanimously convicts him in my opinion. However people may feel about the case, a jury has to make a decision on whether the facts show he committed a crime - it seems pretty clear there is enough evidence to make a decision and it's unlikely other factors will come in to play in a jury room.
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The US is an oligarchy. Your worth as a human is directly tied to your monetary worth, starting at $1M. So no.
Luigi Mangione is a random person who attacked corporate America. Therefore, he is utterly fucked. Whatever anyone does to help him, ultimately his fate is already sealed.
He did the math and decided that one moment of action was worth more to him than it cost. The rich of America need to see that vast wealth inequality leads to more and more people coming to the same conclusion. That's why they will make sure he is sentenced to death, to let us know what the cost will be. But a life lived in misery is only worth so much, and death is the worst they can do.
The thing though, once a person make this decision, they no longer fear death
That person is very dangerous
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The capitalists are in charge, but they are also utterly fucked.
The last thing you want to do with a spartacus-type enemy is to make them a martyr. They already fucked up by parading him around with those guards while he looks like the second coming of Christ. Nailing him to the cross is not going to solve any of their problems.
"Bail Out" Just means "Temporarily let go until court date". It's not a "Get out of jail free" card.
on the wishful thinking side, biden pardons. also wishful: innocent until proven guilty, and that the evidence was planted.
but yeah, we will just have to wait on how the proceedings go. UHC has already flexed money in subduing luigi awareness merch.
They won't have even decided if these are state or federal charges by the time Biden is out of office. And if he's pardoned on the federal charges, the state can still charge him
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It would be a shame if a few people in NYC started posting signs on every corner with a brief description of jury nullification and a QR code with a link to explain it further until the trial is over.
Imagine if this supreme court just goes full fascist and says because NYC people are already biased, therefore, the case can be legally transferred to some rural place in upstate newyork. 🤡
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The working class, no matter how much money they pull together, cannot battle the ruling class in this way. He will not be allowed bail if we even tried
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