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One thing that I find interesting.
Singh says he will introduce a vote of non-confidence. Is it possible that he'll delay it for a little bit, to support (or negotiate with) the Liberals for longer than anything Poilievre would have planned.
In other words, could it be to push the CPC onto their back foot for a bit?
Just to remind everyone: Layton pulled this same stunt, toppling Martin's government.
The result was the loss of a number of progressive initiatives Martin's people were working on, the election of fucking Stephen Harper and the most conservative Canadian political landscape since Borden. Science was suppressed, lslamophobia went from being a dogwhistle to a bullhorn, we narrowly avoided economic catastrophy. Harper even fucked with the Census in an attempt to remake Canada.
A lot of dippers really idolized Layton, but honestly he was a shameless opportunist and I don't forgive him for giving us almost a decade of Harper.
And Singh is pulling the same fucking stunt.
Just to remind everyone: Layton pulled this same stunt, toppling Martin’s government.
Refusing to support a sitting government mired in scandal isn’t a stunt—it’s taking a stand. Calling an election wasn’t just the right thing to do; it was unavoidable after the Office of the Auditor General laid bare the extent of corruption. This wasn’t a minor misstep—it was a government blatantly diverting public funds to secure its own re-election. Propping up such a government would have been a betrayal of public trust.
Pinning the blame on Layton because the only viable alternative brokerage party to form government was the Conservative Party is absurd. That’s not on him; it’s on the corrupt Liberal party establishment of the time for destroying their own credibility. A lot of voters are only used to the reformed Liberal Party under Trudeau, but there was a point in time where the Liberal party apparatus was very different.
Let’s be clear: the fault lies with those who abused their power, not with those who refused to stand by and enable it. Misrepresenting this as opportunism is a deliberate distortion of the facts, designed to deflect attention from the real issue—a government that deserved to fall. Just admit you're pro-corruption and move on.
The Liberal party apparatus is different? News to me.
Do you think it is in Singh's power to prevent a conservative government? Do you think it was within Layton's?
Poilievre is winning a majority no matter what, I'd rather get it out of the way sooner instead of sitting through another year of ineffective Liberal virtue signalling.
There a good chance PP will just get more conservative votes in already conservative areas and still end up with a minority.
At that point he’ll have to find another party to work with and he’s already pissed them all off.
There's a good chance PP will just get more conservative votes in already conservative areas and still end up with a minority.
What are you basing this on?
The way Canadian elections work.
If more people in rural Alberta vote conservative it won’t add to their seat count but it’ll add to their lead in the polls.
Yes, but what makes you think that that could possibly be what's about to happen?
I think it is far more likely that liberal voters turnout will be down because of trudeau fatigue, this will cost the liberals battleground ridings. I think conservatives will have higher turnout than normal in traditional red seats since there is now a chance of their vote mattering. And I think that will cost the liberals even more seats.
I base this prediction on liberal party performance in the last two by-elections.
So yours is as much as a guess as mine is?
Conservative voters always vote conservative in every election. Progressive voters and swing voters only vote whenever the hell they feel like it. If conservatives are going up in the polls, that means moderates or progressives are intending to vote conservative, (edit: or that fewer progressives or moderates are planning to vote at all) not that more conservatives are planning to vote instead of not vote.
The Liberals don't deserve another chance, sure, but handing the election over to the conservative party? What the fuck...
Why is it the responsibility of a third party like the NDP to keep up the Liberals in power?
If the NDP can steal and win former Liberal seats, it seems really dumb not to capitalize on that opportunity. It's not like the NDP will form government, nor will the Conservatives lose traction in the next 10 months. There's a Conservative government coming in regardless of how you feel.
Except the NDP are unlikely to pick up many Liberal seats and will go from holding the balance of power to having no power. I don’t follow this logic.
It's not, but when the country is frothing at the mouth over even more unhinged authoritarian/oligarchy leadership than what we have, NDP aren't going to stand much of a chance on their own. All the going to do is drive more people to vote CPC
"Maybe when Canada is fed up with the Cons, they'll vote us in!"
Shortsighted buffoons
Singh et al learned absolutely nothing from the Harper era
The only shortsighted buffoons I see are the Liberals who have thoroughly failed to meaningfully improve their voters' lives and address any of the many social crises that are impacting us.
The only shortsighted buffoons I see are the NDP who have thoroughly failed to meaningfully improve their voters’ lives and address any of the many social crises that are impacting us.
The only shortsighted buffoons I see are the Conservatives who have thoroughly failed to meaningfully improve their voters’ lives and address any of the many social crises that are impacting us.
Works with every party.
Sure it does, if you have no idea how the government functions.
How do you feel about response to COVID and the CERB payments?
Personally, that was a federal win for me.
You are failing to learn the lessons from our southern neighbour. These small wins from years ago will convince nobody. We can all see what's happening with our eyes. And definitely don't try to convince me because liberals don't even campaign here.
Drop the whataboutism. Hold yourself to a higher standard.
All political parties are a blight on democracy. Case in point, party whips.
Can this wait until Feb 1? Give Canadians a bit more of a chance to see the US get fucked first.
Parliament doesn't sit until Jan 26, so it won't happen before then.
First sitting on the 27th, to be exact. Source.
Yeah, I'm panicking a lot less now. And depending on the exact rules JT could prorogue it even further.
Somebody in the media mentioned a Liberal leadership election; if he goes that way I'll be "kalm" again.
"The Liberals don't deserve another chance,"
And Conservatives shouldn't even get a chance, yet Singh is handing them power on a silver plate.
Burning down the country and democracy in the West "to own the Libs" sounds like a plan we may never recover from.
The Conservatives will win either way. There's nothing in the next 10 months that would prevent the Conservatives from winning short of PP beating up children.
Voting no confidence now allows the NDP to viably compete for seats like Ottawa Centre where the liberals are weak and rebuild their influence and standing in the house. I don't see why it's the duty of every left-leaning party to prop up the Liberals as the natural governing party. Waiting 10 months isn't going to cause the NDP to sweep into government, it might at best just delay the inevitable if they're lucky, but more likely delaying will catastrophically wipe out their party by making them look like Liberal stage props.
I guess it's PP time...
Yeah, WTF is he thinking? At least wait until October after we've had a chance to put out the Trump fire a bit.
Hopefully it's a bluff to get Trudeau to resign, but that's not really the typical NDP MO.
WTF is he thinking?
For better or worse, he's probably reached the point where he thinks they need to cut all remaining ties to the Liberals, and not be seen as propping them up, formally or otherwise.
Get ready for one of the ugliest campaigns in living memory.