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EDIT: I think you should get the service you pay for, just so that's clear.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago

Insurance is a racket. Is that what Lil Mikey is saying?

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 13 points 1 day ago

You know... that kinda vow would be a great idea! Doctors take an oath like thing too, right?

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We should stop calling it "insurance", it doesn't ensure anything. We should call it what it is - a protection racket. Either that, or we could refer to it as "medical loans" - of course, it's all paid in advance, in many installments. Oh wait. That's just defining a protection racket again, isn't it?

[–] HopeOfTheGunblade@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh no, each claim is a new loan application. You pay in your premium to have the right to apply.

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Funny how life insurance always pays, no problem. Because if they get a bad rep, people will go elsewhere. We can't do that with employer-covered healthcare!

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 1 day ago

These tricks are many, this is just the tip.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

insurance is a fucking scam that preys on the most vulnerable segment of the population in order to enrich themselves and their shareholders. and the vast majority of people think that's just the way things are in america, therefore it's the best possible way for things to be. what's not to understand?

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The free market is excellent at producing, at a reasonable cost, myriad voluntary luxuries like large televisions and speedy cars. These prices are naturally constrained by the consumers' willingness to do-without. When the consumer cannot rationally choose to do-without, the elegant self-regulation intrinsic to the free market evaporates.

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago

So well worded. I struggle to get this concept out when discussing the concern about grocery prices and why homesteading / community gardens are the only protection we can reasonably have right now

[–] femtech@midwest.social 18 points 1 day ago

That why insurance should not be for profit.

[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, look, it's the guy who doesn't know what a meme is and insists on spamming it all the time

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

And the guy who proved that their bio:

I say unpopular things but never something I know to be untrue. Always open to hear good-faith counter arguments. My goal is to engage in dialogue that seeks truth rather than scoring points.

Was a lie yesterday.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

... This dude needs to understand how other types of insurance work

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Worse than that they staff doctors in name only. The type of quacks who couldn't make it in the real medical world. I really don't understand how they can't be sued for malpractice when they argue a diagnosis with your doctor. At that point they are acting as your doctor.

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That's why you have to request the documentation and proof of specialty to confirm whether they're acting out of scope.

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Not a fan of the smug liberal aura this post has.

[–] moody@lemmings.world 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I feel like every time someone uses the word "liberal" on lemmy, the meaning of the word shifts slightly to the right.

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Liberals are right wing. They're comparatively further left than conservatives but both ideologies favour capitalism as the economic system which is inherently on the right -- in opposition to a more controlled market.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You can point out someone is wrong but still agree with the spirit of what they're saying...

It rarely goes over well, but I do it all the time. And I'm pretty fucking progressive.

Like, if people honestly thinks their insurance took a vow to protect them, it needs to be corrected. They're not saying it shouldn't be changed, but the first step to fixing it is understanding where we're at.

[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Like this guy has a point they dont have a duty of care, they didnt take an oath, they are a private for profit company with shareholders. They will absolutely take as much as they can, give you as little as they can and be as cunty about it as they can get away with.

Its fucking WRONG but its not surprising.

[–] ryanvade@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

To be honest, I hadn't interpreted the quoted toot (man I do hate that they are called toots) as trying to educate people on how insurance works. In that light I do agree with what you are saying, people should be aware of how these systems actually work.

Apologies if this post is coming off as overly 'smug liberal'.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

The worst part is, they actually hire doctors to analyze claims and they're the ones making the decisions whether the claims are accepted or not.

Edit: clarification

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm sure the doctors stick with reviewing claims for which they have a lot of experience, spend the time to actually review the patient's specific scenario better than the doctor who saw the patient, and aren't financially incentivized to deny as many claims as possible.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah that's what I was getting at. For some reason I'm being downvoted for saying how things actually work?

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The person you’re responding to was being sarcastic. They’re bottom of the barrel doctors practicing outside their specialty and have a financial incentive to deny claims.

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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (5 children)

Text saying how it actualy works without any indication that you think it is bad sounds like approval of the existing system by default.

If you said 'the crazy part is...' or 'they hired the doctors to give themselves the appearance of medical doctors making qualified decisions' then maybe it wouldn't have come off that way. Instead, it comes across as 'yeah, but they have doctors making the decisions so it is fine'.

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Shouldnt a doctor be "reviewing" the patient before making decisions?

Like wtf is is this middle manning. You go see doctor, then another insurance doctor is checking his homework but only based on paper work and with a financial incentive to deny as many claims as possible.

Also, I bet they explicitly state they are not rendering care when they review a claim, CYA legal shit. So are they even acting in their capacity as medical professional or just paper pusher with an MD. I don't think it even requires a licese.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 points 17 hours ago
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