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[–] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 15 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Cannot believe what our nation is coming to! How the hell is it under 50??

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I imagine it's from people who just don't watch the news. They don't know how evil that CEO was, so they blindly apply common sense.

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

That was my gut reaction right after it happened, since UHC is my insurance company. But I'm just disappointed people are either lack curiosity, lack empathy, or actively support the true evil here.

[–] Heikki@lemm.ee 12 points 14 hours ago

I mean, "Broadly gesturing to everything"

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 15 points 15 hours ago

They also claim that they want more equality, universal healthcare, less student debt, etc. And then a ton of them proceeded to vote for Donald Trump. I can't take anything they say seriously.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 40 points 19 hours ago

That sounds extremely low. What young voters are they polling? The Amish?

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 57 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 36 points 20 hours ago (2 children)
[–] DerArzt@lemmy.world 20 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

41% of people they asked! Who knows what criteria they used to get their sample set, so the number may even be higher.

[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Also, do we know the specific wording? The wording of the questions around it? Those can have a significant impact on the answers.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Yes. This was a study by Emerson college. The methodology is linked in the article.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 4 points 12 hours ago

Of course the old people who are "fuck you I got mine" say it's completely unacceptable LMAO

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 1 points 11 hours ago

Rather than "admitting", I would think that most of these people are proud of it. If the insurance companies can kill people in large numbers (and they do), and somehow that's OK (which it shouldn't be), then that's the new standard (sadly), and that's life (or death, as the case may be).

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 35 points 23 hours ago

Gotta pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers!

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 63 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah that is shocking. My guess is lots of people declined to say for obvious reasons. The number has to be closer to 80%

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 points 12 hours ago

Neutrals are 19%, so even if we assume half of those are actually ok but didn't say so, that's still only 50,5% acceptance

[–] sumguyonline@lemmy.world 33 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Many things people find despicable are common place in the fog of war. I will never agree with gunning down a poor person no matter what they did, justice is served for the poor daily on a cold lead plate. For the 1%??? Who can we call when insurance kills our loved ones? When Dr's make intentional mistakes and your loved one is dead? Can you call the police and expect them to go snorkeling to find evidence? Or can you maybe expect a call in a few weeks with a maybe update? We have seen how they respond when one of their masters is murdered. Until there is actual justice for all citizens, there will be no peace. Eat the rich.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

The poor can't even get justice wrenched from the poor, much less the rich.

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 24 points 22 hours ago

Only 41%?

We still have work to do.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 27 points 1 day ago

That low? That is a shock.

[–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 17 points 23 hours ago

Pretty shocking it’s that low honestly.

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 15 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

A person has to ask themselves the question of does this person help or hurt humanity, and if you look at this company denials since he took over he definetely hurts humanity as a whole.

Not every human life is valuable or worth keeping. We need to treat our weakest members of society better, which is elderly, disabled and children. He hurts those people the most, when he should've trying to protect them. He chose to chase profits over human life.

This is simply a logical consequence. Income equality now is FAR worse than the french revolution, I'm just suprised it took this long.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Every life is valuable and sacred. Every death a tragedy. But I will not cry when tragedy comes for those who grow rich by permitting tragedy.

[–] rezifon@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

“Permit” even seems like a generous word in this case.

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[–] Womdat10@lemmy.blahaj.zone 55 points 1 day ago (9 children)
[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think of it this way. 41% are willing to say the killing was justified to a perfect stranger.

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[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

Seems low. Like if they polled exclusively young conservatives or something.

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[–] melisdrawing@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Young, like under 26? Like never having had to supply their own health insurance maybe?

[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago

Exactly this. I suspect this group is both young enough to not have to supply their own insurance, or at least young enough to not have faced significant health costs yet. Many people have not yet experienced just how trash the US healthcare system is.

[–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

110% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

[–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 42 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Many of these polls are written in way to ellicit a biased response.

Others have already covered how this works, but I'll add to it anyway.

If you ask a question like "do you condemn violence against healthcare CEOs?" A lot of people are going to say yes, because they view themselves as people against violence and respond mostly to that first part.

If you ask "did brian thompson deserve to die for his crimes? Many of the same people will say yes to that too, because people have an innate desire for justice.

Polls do this all the time. It's part of social engineering and plays on the phenomenon that the Asch Conformity Experiments analyzed. Around 35% of people will change their opinions to fit everyone else's even if the answer or opinion is very obviously incorrect.

Don't let them take the narrative back.

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[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I don't understand what's shocking about that?

I would have called that predictable.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 11 points 23 hours ago

It seems pretty low

[–] ef9357@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Shock poll? Who is shocked?

[–] Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm shocked that the number isn't higher, does that count?

[–] ef9357@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 13 hours ago

Indeed it does. Take my upvote.

[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 230 points 1 day ago (8 children)
[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 113 points 1 day ago (8 children)

People aren't exactly gonna tell a random stranger and probable Fed that they support murder even if it's really based

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[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 87 points 1 day ago (6 children)
[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 59 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

There's a teensy bit of data massaging to make the approval rating appear lower... in my opinion of course.

The respondents were asked to rank "acceptability of the killers actions" on a scale of 1 to 5.

Assumin'the average "young voter" views gunning strangers down as:

[1.very unfavorable]

(You would, if asked about murder, say it was bad As a rule. right? I would too. Ya know, unless it was justified.)

Looking at it that way, the same data looks a lot different suddenly.

33% young voters still think the killer is completely unjustified.

7% think there was some justification

19% are undecided if the CEO deserved to die for what he did

24% think the killer was mostly justified... But have reservations

17% believe he was 100% in the right

I got a little free with the interpretations but you get the idea, You could decide to frame the data this way too. there's a saying: statistics don't lie but statisticians do. Here's my 100% true alternate title using the data but presented with the story I want to tell:

67% of Young Voters at Least Partly Approve of Killers Actions

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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That is shocking. Get your shit together, 59%!

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just 41%?

The pain felt in the US is still not high enough.

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[–] RedC@sh.itjust.works 4 points 21 hours ago

59% are trust fund kids

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

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