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[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 151 points 1 day ago (5 children)

It never ceases to amaze me how far we can still take a piece of technology that was invented in the 50s.

That's like developing punch cards to the point where the holes are microscopic and can also store terabytes of data. It's almost Steampunk-y.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 54 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Solid state is kinda like a microscopic punch card.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

More like microscopic fidget bubble poppers.

When the computer wants a bit to be a 1, it pops it down. When it wants it to be a 0, it pops it up.

If it were like a punch card, it couldn’t be rewritten as writing to it would permanently damage the disc. A CD-RW is basically a microscopic punch card though, because the laser actually burns away material to write the data to the CD.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They work through electron tunneling through a semiconductor, so something does go through them like an old punch card reader

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[–] lastunusedusername2@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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That's how most technology is:

  • combustion engines - early 1900s, earlier if you count steam engines
  • missiles - 13th century China, gunpowder was much earlier
  • wind energy - windmills appeared in the 9th century, potentially as early as the 4th

Almost everything we have today is due to incremental improvements from something much older.

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[–] stebator@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

Good. However, 2 x 16TB Seagate HDDs still cheaper, isn't it?

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[–] corroded@lemmy.world 90 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I can't wait for datacenters to decommission these so I can actually afford an array of them on the second-hand market.

[–] jeansburger@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Home Petabyte Project here I come (in like 3-5 years 😅)

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

better start preparing with a 10G network!

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[–] quixotic120@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Exactly, my nas is currently made up of decommissioned 18tb exos. Great deal and I can usually still get them rma’d the handful of times they fail

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[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 62 points 1 day ago (3 children)

30/32 = 0.938

That’s less than a single terabyte. I have a microSD card bigger than that!

;)

[–] clashorcrashman@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

Can't even put it into simplest form.

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[–] ANIMATEK@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] avieshek@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago

sonarr goes brrrrrr…

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Lmao the HDD in the first machine I built in the mid 90s was 1.2GB

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

My dad had a 286 with a 40MB hard drive in it. When it spun up it sounded like a plane taking off. A few years later he had a 486 and got a 2gb Seagate hard drive. It was an unimaginable amount of space at the time.

The computer industry in the 90s (and presumably the 80s, I just don't remember it) we're wild. Hardware would be completely obsolete every other year.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 1 day ago

It really was doubling in speed about every 18 months.

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[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Back then that was very impressive!

Yup. My grandpa had 10 MB in his DOS machine back then.

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[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Avoid these like the plague. I made the mistake of buying 2 16 TB Exos drives a couple years ago and have had to RMA them 3 times already.

[–] randombullet@programming.dev 1 points 21 hours ago

Their 3tb and 16 TB are super trash. I'm running 20tb and 24tb and they've been solid... So far

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

I stopped buying seagates when I had 4 of their 2TB barracuda drives die within 6 months... constantly was RMAing them. Finally got pissed and sold them and bought WD reds, still got 2 of the reds in my Nas Playing hot backups with nearly 8 years of power time.

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[–] hsdkfr734r@feddit.nl 36 points 1 day ago (2 children)

My first HDD had a capacity of 42MB. Still a short way to go until factor 10⁶.

[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 3 points 21 hours ago

My first one was a Seagate ST-238R. 32 MB of pure storage, baby. For some reason I thought we still needed the two disk drives as well, but I don't remember why.

"Oh what a mess we weave when we amiss interleave!"

We'd set the interleave to, say, 4:1 (four revolutions to read all data in a track, IIRC), because the hard drive was too fast for the CPU to deal with the data... ha.

[–] 4grams@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (4 children)

My first HD was a 20mb mfm drive :). Be right back, need some “just for men” for my beard (kidding, I’m proud of it).

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[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, cool and all, but call me when sata or m2 ssds are 10TB for $250, then we'll talk.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Not sure whether we'll arrive there the tech is definitely entering the taper-out phase of the sigmoid. Capacity might very well still become cheaper, also 3x cheaper, but don't, in any way, expect them to simultaneously keep up with write performance that ship has long since sailed. The more bits they're trying to squeeze into a single cell the slower it's going to get and the price per cell isn't going to change much, any more, as silicon has hit a price wall, it's been a while since the newest, smallest node was also the cheapest.

OTOH how often do you write a terabyte in one go at full tilt.

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[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

This is for cold and archival storage right?

I couldn't imagine seek times on any disk that large. Or rebuild times....yikes.

[–] noobface@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

up your block size bro 💪 get them plates stacking 128KB+ a write and watch your throughput gains max out 🏋️ all the ladies will be like🙋‍♀️. Especially if you get those reps sequentially it's like hitting the juice 💉 for your transfer speeds.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

This is my favorite post ever.

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