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Review Written by UnitedHealthcare CEO Shooting Suspect about Ted Kaczynski's "Industrial Society and it's future" (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 179 points 3 months ago (58 children)

I honestly don't know if Americans have what it takes to change the path we're headed down. I haven't really got much faith left in our society. We're pretty pathetic.

Hope I'm wrong.

[–] DarkGamer@fedia.io 70 points 3 months ago (2 children)

With all the uneducated, divisive disinformation, and faith-based worldviews out there it's hard to even get people to agree that a problem exists, and therefore even harder to convince the electorate how to appropriately address it. Public medicine would fix this problem like it has in the rest of the world yet still many Americans believe it's Marxism for some stupid reason.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago

Public medicine would fix this problem like it has in the rest of the world yet still many Americans believe it's Marxism ~~for some stupid reason.~~

…because a group of politicians who need campaign funding to stay elected tell them “government bad” at every opportunity.

There is one party to blame here. Republicans. They made up the death panels bullshit. They made it so Lieberman could filibuster for the big insurance companies and keep them rich. They made it a goal to “own the libs.”

Democrats deserve criticism for their Neo Liberal bullshit too, but this wouldn’t have been pushed this far without the Republican propaganda and lies.

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[–] jared@mander.xyz 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

All we can do it keep moving forward and try to take care of each other as we go.

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[+] penquin@lemm.ee 100 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

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[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 79 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (10 children)

People love to use examples like MLK and Gandhi as the poster children for peaceful protest achieving results, and years ago I'd have naively agreed.

But the reality of it is that they could not have succeeded without the threat of violence from more militant alternatives, such as Malcolm X/The Black Panthers or the Ghadar revolutionaries/Babbar Akali Sikhs.

It's the carrot-and-stick metaphor. The powers that be will ignore any nonviolent attempts for reform until a violent movement makes the nonviolent alternative more appealing.

Capitalism has long asserted that there are checks in place to protect people. Consumer protection laws, industry regulations, collective bargaining, and voting with your wallet are some of the myths that capitalism says are supposed to stop bad businesses from hurting people. But when we see these systems failing en masse, and the powers that be refuse to do anything about it, what recourse is left?

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Both are necessary. The first creates public support. The second "creates government support"

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[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

The peaceful protest has a purpose. It is the purpose of due diligence. It is to show an escalation. A point at which other avenues were tried and ignored leaving one with no choice but to try others that are more militant. You try all the avenues. And leave the last resort as a last resort. But historically we know that more often than not real change happens when there is either the threat of violence or the actuality of violence.

People as a whole don't seem to be invested until it impacts them. It's hard to impact people enough with peaceful protest to change their minds. That's why blocking highways or major thoroughfares were threatened with violence. Because the point of protest is twofold. It is to educate. But more importantly it is to inconvenience people. Because without the inconvenience, they do not get invested.

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[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 16 points 3 months ago

Organized labor can also take some non violent action like general strikes. The important thing is the organization part, once you're organized you've got power whether it's violent or not.

A smaller less organized population can definitely use violence effectively, but it still takes critical mass to affect permanent change.

Join or create community groups and labour unions

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 45 points 3 months ago (9 children)

That looks like something that could have been written on here or reddit a week ago and would have been met with at least modest approval in regards to the oligarchy.

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[–] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 44 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The one time I resorted to violence, it 100% solved my problem. I slapped my bully in class so hard people's ears rang. We ended up becoming friends later on lol.

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[–] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Oh good lord. He kept the gun and the fake ID?

I guess MS in Computer Science doesn't mean you're smart.

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 52 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I spend my working life surrounded by PhDs, have done so for ~28 years now, and let me assure you: education and intelligence are orthogonal.

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[–] RestlessNotions@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm guessing he kept it all intentionally. He had the manifesto on him, probably expecting "accidental" suicide by cop in hopes that his message would continue and not be painted over by the media. Yeah, he could have ditched the gun, but again, perhaps he didn't want there to be any shadow of a doubt that he is guilty. This was an intentional sacrifice in hopes of making a change.

[–] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Yeah, I realized about 30 seconds after I wrote that... "he wanted to keep the gun and the ID as proof that he was the guy".

He escaped clean, and then let himself get caught so he could make his case in court.

Let's see if he plays the next hand: plead 'not guilty', refuse all plea agreements, and demand a jury trial.

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 36 points 3 months ago (3 children)

This guy gets a free pass on wierd beliefs to me. Sucks that the first ceo assasin was caught though. He really showed how possible it could have been to get away with it though.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 28 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Part of him probably wanted to got caught. The guy showed an extreme respect for justice, more than the current US legal system, and he knew what he had done.

[–] Moc@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

He's a G, honestly.

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[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (21 children)

I’ve scouered his Goodreads, Instagram, Twitter accounts.

He looks like he’s a tech bro who went to University of Pennsylvania. He had some cool somewhat anti-capitalistic takes, and criticised Elon Musk. But was also following and reposting a couple alt-right accounts like RFK Jr and Joe Rogan. He seems to have been a big consumer of the capitalistic self-improvement type industry.

Here’s his github picture and account

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago (9 children)

Doesn't look like the guy to me.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Different angle and no hood,.but yeah, somebody else.

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[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago (10 children)

So if you read into Kaczynski a bit, in a way he's kinda history's first incel too. He went off into the woods because he was upset about getting rejected by a girl and went super nice guy™ on not just her but life too. He blamed technology on his inability to read into a woman and he was too insecure to learn from it.

This guy is doing something else, he attacked the elite not because of technology and their relationship but because of their wealth and direct actions.

[–] RustyEarthfire@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

history’s first incel

What definition of incel are you using that eliminates the rest of history?

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[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org 17 points 3 months ago

He is ID'd the sources of issue more precisely.

Internet liberated the flow info enough for a smart person to connect the dots better.

Uncle Ted was working within the framework of the old world. A lot of shit that is common knowledge to a wage slave now, was reserved to the elites.

Ted's thesis was not wrong but it was very crude.

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[–] Jericho_One@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago (9 children)

While I am too old to advocate for violence, this line hit me pretty hard:

"Violence never solved anything" is a statement uttered by cowards and predators."

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[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (16 children)

If you've never read Ted K, I recommend it. It's not an easy read, but he wasn't wrong.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (12 children)

I like the part of Industrial Society where he spend the first 10 pages just bashing on liberals

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

I don't know if I've ever resonated with something so much in my life.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

The online fundraiser for him has already raised about 19K. Seems to have just started today.

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

Remember when in the french revolution everyone just asked the nobles pretty please?

[–] Letsdothis@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Wow. This seems highly suspect to me. I seriously doubt Luigi wrote this. It's too perfect. Right? It spells out motive. Desire and intent.

It reads like it's his manifesto.

It also reads like it could have been written after the murder.

This seems fake

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[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Dang, sounds like Luigi might have had a few oil CEOs in him as well ❤️‍🩹

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